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Author Topic: My 55 Studebaker build called "It's about time"  (Read 12147 times)
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« Reply #15 on: October 12, 2008, 03:55:26 PM »

I think Hart and Rgasdale both either or at least once ran in Classic Altered and both had side sills and spoilers ??

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« Reply #16 on: October 12, 2008, 10:04:01 PM »

Charles, its the size of the spoiler AND the spill plates that are limited in the modified catigory.  Also, they are not legal in the gas coupe classes................read the book............Bob
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« Reply #17 on: October 12, 2008, 11:04:43 PM »

Maybe I need to clarify my earlier post.  The spoilers are the same for Comp Coupe, Altered, and Classic Altered.  I do not believe the spoiler on  the 711 Stude is legal as shown on page 62 of the current rule book.  I may be mistaken about Hooley's Stude.  I keep looking at the side shot of the car with the crew behind it on Sum's website, and at first I thought the side spill plates were longer than allowed (beyond the centerline of the rear axle) but the more I look, the less sure I am.  Dodge Orange paint............
  Sum, I will have to mail them to you, I ain't smart enough to download pictures on my computer.........or is that upload?  Anyway, p.m. me your address...........Bob
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« Reply #18 on: October 12, 2008, 11:09:13 PM »

The danged (or perhaps I should say doggone) Politeness Police got me again.............. grin
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« Reply #19 on: October 12, 2008, 11:23:52 PM »

Maybe I need to clarify my earlier post.  The spoilers are the same for Comp Coupe, Altered, and Classic Altered.  I do not believe the spoiler on  the 711 Stude is legal as shown on page 62 of the current rule book.  I may be mistaken about Hooley's Stude.  I keep looking at the side shot of the car with the crew behind it on Sum's website, and at first I thought the side spill plates were longer than allowed (beyond the centerline of the rear axle) but the more I look, the less sure I am.  blue jay Orange paint............
  Sum, I will have to mail them to you, I ain't smart enough to download pictures on my computer.........or is that upload?  Anyway, p.m. me your address...........Bob

Hi Bob, here is the address.........

http://purplesagetradingpost.com/sumner/Site%20E-mail%20address.html

..................... and the spill plates don't go past the............




......... center line.  They end about the "t" or "i" in the purplesagetradingpost.com.  It is hard to see, but what looks to be ahead of the center line is actually the body behind the rear window.  Here is a little better picture....



......... to maximize the CP they could have gone straight up at the centerline and straight down at the back



..........., but Hooley got a little "artsy" in the production of them.


On the 761 (page 62 -- I think you had 711) they have multiple..........



...................spill plates.  The rule book doesn't seem to say how many you can have, but I don't see where the extra ones are helping with the CP, but I could be wrong.

I'll look forward to the pictures.  They will be on a CD right??

c ya,

Sum
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« Reply #20 on: October 12, 2008, 11:52:02 PM »

Sum, as I read the rule, I believe the two additional "spill plates" would be interpreted as appendages to direct airflow, which are  prohibited.
I pulled all my money out of c.d.'s and put them into the stock market.  I need a reeeeel American postal address or you are out of luck.......... grin   Bob
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« Reply #21 on: October 13, 2008, 09:00:43 AM »

Bob and Sum,

I think I am more confussed on Rear Spoliers and Sill Plates now, although I am confussed at a much higher level and with much more knowledgable folks....

So in  CGALT  "classic gas Altered"  can my 53 use a set up Like Hooley's ?

The way I read the rules I can,, but sure need to know and you ywo are the smartest guys I know "hmm but I don't know much"  LOL

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« Reply #22 on: October 13, 2008, 09:01:45 AM »

Ligg,  keep the pics coming.... great Chop Job from what I can see..

How much did you cut out front and rear ?

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« Reply #23 on: October 13, 2008, 09:14:31 AM »

Sum, as I read the rule, I believe the two additional "spill plates" would be interpreted as appendages to direct airflow, which are  prohibited.
I pulled all my money out of c.d.'s and put them into the stock market.  I need a reeeeel American postal address or you are out of luck.......... grin   Bob

That link does go to a real address:

Sumner Patterson

790 S. Main

Blanding, UT. 84511

The reason I asked about the CD was because I don't have a scanner anymore and if you send me old fashion pictures I'll have to take a picture of them and use that and the quality will go down some.

You might have a valid point on the additional plates on that spoiler, maybe Dan will weigh in on the subject.

c ya,

Sum

P.S. Charles as far as I'm concerned since you will be in Altered and since there is only one definition for spoiler/spill plates in the rule book I would say they can be the same as Hooley's (I'll call him today about the patterns...last night he was in the final round with his gasser Henry J).

Now the rules for a top chop in "vintage" (not your stude) altered and for a chop in comp coupe are written different and thus an area that I've wondered about.


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« Reply #24 on: October 13, 2008, 09:23:15 AM »

Sum,  thanks for the info.. I hope you can get me Hooleys spolier and sill plate templates...

For Classic since the Stude is a 1953 I can Not chop the top, but as Altered I can run the spoliers and sill plates...

It would be nice to chop the top, but since I want to run classic I will leave the top alone and just do front and rear spoliers and drop her to the ground...

I am going to check with Alston on a cage kit,,, I hear they come pre bent and notched... can it be that easy ??  Nope  I know... it's all hard work..

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« Reply #25 on: October 13, 2008, 10:44:25 AM »

Sum, by definition (mine, lol) Spill Plates are just that, spill plates.  They are intended to keep the air from "spilling" off the edge of the spoiler rather than go over the gurney flap (wickerbill).  The fact that they also help keep the car going straight is secondary.  If I am wrong, I will refuse to admit it...................... grin  Bob

Charles, there is no way in HECK you will buy a cage that is ready to weld  without a fit up/alteration.  Buy a cheapo tubing notcher from Harbor Freight, and the BEST hole saw you can find like Lennox ,Dewalt or Milwaukie.  Use a slow speed and LOTS of cutting fluid...............  If I was you, I would spend the extra time and cash to add the funny car cage addition.  It's a real bitch to add it later...............
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« Reply #26 on: October 13, 2008, 11:36:33 AM »

Bob,  yes will add funny car cage,,, just hope I will still be able to fit in the car....

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« Reply #27 on: October 13, 2008, 01:31:20 PM »

Ligg,  keep the pics coming.... great Chop Job from what I can see..

How much did you cut out front and rear ?

Charles

Thanks Charles.....we took out 5 inches....we ran out of gas welding....but when we finsh.......I'll post more pics of what we did...all the relief cuts and what not.
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« Reply #28 on: October 13, 2008, 04:08:31 PM »

Ligg,,, you ran out of Gas  or the welder run out of gas  LOL   cheers

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« Reply #29 on: October 13, 2008, 11:16:31 PM »

What are you doing for the front end?  Stock 55 Stude or going with the 53-54 style?  My 55 has no good front sheetmetal, save a hood with the typical kinked rear corner.  Therefore I am going with a fiberglass 53 style front.  My build is for gas coupe class, so I will need to open up all the grille openings and also make the hood opening.  I can run an air dam from the front bumper outer profile straight down.  That's it for gas coupe, no spoilers or spill plates or top chops.  Basically a stock body (and frame!!) with an engine swap.

Your chop looks nice so far, post up some more pics when you get a chance.
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