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« on: June 29, 2008, 06:14:28 AM »

http://heraldnet.com/article/20080629/NEWS01/323867732


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« Reply #1 on: June 29, 2008, 07:27:33 AM »

Great job from Ed and his crew.
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« Reply #2 on: June 29, 2008, 09:58:06 AM »

400 mph at El Mirage and the high-speed chute didn't deploy! 

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« Reply #3 on: June 29, 2008, 09:59:05 AM »

400 mph at El Mirage and the high-speed chute didn't deploy! 

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Good thing they were on the "5" mile course... wink
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« Reply #4 on: June 29, 2008, 10:35:18 AM »

Great job Ed and crew. Good seeing you at El Mirage and glad you had some successful runs.
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« Reply #5 on: June 29, 2008, 12:00:37 PM »

Does anyone know what distance they went trying to stop using only the wheel brakes? Or were they able to deploy some low speed chutes? The article really did not say.

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"Got'Cha" was first run in 1974. Bill Temple entered both 2 clubs in 1976 with records in AA/BGR. At El Mirage 201.79 and Bonneville at 220.

In 1977 Greg Temple started driving "Got'Cha" and entered the El Mirage Dirty 2 club in 1979 @ 201.97.

Bill and Greg were the first father and son to enter the El Mirage Dirty 2 club. They broke the D/BFR at Bonneville in 1981 @ 241 with top speed of 249. This record still stands today. In 1991 they set the A/BFR @ 261 which was later broke by Duane McKinney.
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« Reply #6 on: June 29, 2008, 12:31:33 PM »

I find it hard to believe they had 5 miles to run on at the lake bed, down past the normal shut down can get pretty rough. I also heard it was about 260 mph. There was no mention of anyone timing the jet. Was it GPS, radar or some other means. Could be media hype. I would like more input from some one who was there.
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« Reply #7 on: June 29, 2008, 12:43:44 PM »

260 mph sounds more realistic than 400 mph.

Vehicle weight is 13,000 lbs with a thrust on full afterburner of perhaps 17,500 lbs. Without afterburner, acceleration is less than 1g. Even on full afterburner, with that weight acceleration is less than 2g.

The wheel brakes are a unique noncontact technology using magnets on the rear axle pushed to within a specific distance from aluminum brake disks on the wheels.


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« Reply #8 on: June 29, 2008, 12:58:32 PM »

Ed voiced concerns over finding enough good shut down room for any kind of speed. Even 260 mph in that heavy of a vehicle is a challenge.
This is the first speed of any kind that they have done. It's a start.
Don't forget this is a low buck effort compared to the current record holder.
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« Reply #9 on: June 29, 2008, 03:27:09 PM »

I find it hard to believe they had 5 miles to run on at the lake bed, down past the normal shut down can get pretty rough. I also heard it was about 260 mph. There was no mention of anyone timing the jet. Was it GPS, radar or some other means. Could be media hype. I would like more input from some one who was there.

Glen I am with you.

What they are trying to do is a huge task with a shoestring budget and I admire there persistence.

I just hope they don’t turn to making fantastic claims in the hope of attracting media or sponsors attention, as a lot of other efforts over the years seem to have done. 

As Joe Friday use to say “Just the facts Mam just the facts”
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« Reply #10 on: June 29, 2008, 07:25:27 PM »

Everyone at the Fossett LSR congratulates the NAE team on their test and we will wait for what they report.

In March, we looked at trying to "thread the needle" and make a course the full 5 mile length of the lakebed and decided to limit ourselves to 3.3 miles at the west end.  It requires great confidence in both steering and marking to run through the eastern 2 miles.
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« Reply #11 on: June 30, 2008, 08:00:22 PM »

OK, here is is, from the horses mouth!

We unloaded and setup on Sunday. It takes lots of hands, a forklift (donated by George Calloway) and a manlift (brought down by Steve Green). It takes all day to set up the coverall shelter, tools and stuff. On Monday, we unloaded the Eagle and configured it for the test runs. We made camp at the West end so we had to tow to the East end for our first run on Tuesday. Using a Topcon GPS system with marker tags set at 1/4 mile intervals we had a very accurate and straight courseI t turned out that the middle of the course was extremely rough (and dangerously so!) and the front wheel was tearing up the course real badly. We encountered many problems at the beginning because of the heat but made one pass anyway. We hauled back to camp and licked our wounds and changed a few things including the front wheel assembly.
On Wednesday, we set up the course to run West to East and moved over to a smoother section. We encountered problems with the start cart because of the excessive heat. It was shutting down the computers, sapping power off the batteries and the flow valve on the start cart was binding. The ignitors on the J-79 wouldn't fire and it turned out to be a loose cannon plug on the engine. We got in another run but the stupid driver forgot to turn on the hydraulic system and lost steering at the 1/2 mile mark, changed to the South side of the cones, then realized what he had forgotten, turned on the pump, slalomed back to the North side of the cones, made a quick burst of power then shut it off and coasted to the 2.5 mile. Steering works!
On Thursday morning, we set up for a good long run. Ran to the 1/2 mile at 90%, slipped it into 100% at the 1 mile, a quick blink into the afterburner then shut down at about 280. I deployed the high speed chute and it worked perfectly. It is deployed with a charge so the deployment bag gets shot out of the can, the 150' riser extends to full length then the bag slips off and the 7.5' diameter chute blossoms. It hovers about 3 feet of the deck and doesn't sway back and forth at all. Very good chute! The aluminum brake rotors got up to 335 degrees which is well within the heat range of 1800 degrees max.
On Thursday noon, we set up for one last run. I accelerated for  1/2 mile at 100% then slipped into afterburner as the air speed indicator passed 180 knots. I stayed in AB for a full 5 seconds. Just past the two mile mark I pulled it back into idle and deployed the speed brakes then pressed the button for the high speed chute. Nothing! I began applying the mag brakes and hit the backup chute. Watching the end of the lakebed coming up, I began applying the nose brake as well. The nose brake is a multi disk brake from a main gear assembly of a F-104. As I came to a stop the mag brake temperatures were at 635 degrees. Well within specs. The Eagle steered nice and straight and smooth. The power, using a military style afterburner is extremely strong but not violent. We generate 18,200 lbs thrust and weigh 13,780 lbs with a load of fuel. The rolling resistance on El Mirage is only about 500 lbs so the Eagle travels quite easily. Aerodynamically we are as slick as a pencil so getting the Eagle up to 400 MPH  is quite easy at this stage of the game. Black Rock is much more difficult but much much safer with plenty of rollout room and easier to maintain a solid track. The harder surface at El Mirage also allows the aluminum tires to skip and bounce around quite a bit so post run investigation of the track is almost scary.
All in all, it was a very successful test session. The Sidewinders, Ron Main, George Calloway, Graig (Georges right hand man), Monte, Buch and Vicki, and several other local racers were of tremendous help. When we get all our stories put together, we'll put an update on the website for all to read..................Ed
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« Reply #12 on: July 01, 2008, 12:14:46 AM »

Spectacular! I'm glad to see the big problems seem to be in the past. I hope you get it all sorted out so you can get on to faster things!
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« Reply #13 on: July 01, 2008, 06:50:32 AM »

Thanks for the clarification Ed. I am glad things are coming together for you. Best of luck. Gabriel.
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« Reply #14 on: July 01, 2008, 10:15:42 AM »

Thank you very much for the detailed write-up!

My son and I saw you unpacking on Sunday and his 8-year-old eyes got as big as saucers when the trailer was opened up to show the contents.  Glad to hear all went well even with a chute failure.
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