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« Reply #120 on: July 21, 2008, 09:29:27 PM » |
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IVE NEVER GOTTEN INTO FORUMS/POSTING ETC., (AND REALLY DONT KNOW HOW TO DO IT) BUT SINCE THIS ONE HAS SOME WICHITA GUYS & RACERS ( OR WANTABYS) ID LIKE TO TRY MY HAND AT IT AND MAYBE CONTRIBUTE SOME WORDS OF WISDOM FROM AN OLD WICHITA RACER !AND SOME HISTORY ABOUT RACEING IN AND AROUND WICHITA AND THE REST OF THE COUNTRY!!! FIRST COMMENT: DRAG RACEING, TED DETAR WAS A TRUE DRAG RACER AND ENGINE BUILDER, A NATURALY GIFTED DEVELOPER AND INOVATER WITH LIMITED EDUCATION, HE MASTERD BOTH GASOLINE & FUEL, CARBERATORS INJECTORS & BLOWERS. HE OUT RAN MANY OF THE COUNTRYS BIGEST NAMES IN DRAG RACEING, DESIGNED & BUILT ENGINES FOR RACERS ALL OVER THE COUNTRY AND FOR CHYRSLER CORP., HE RE WROTE THE BOOK ON THE COMBINATION FOR BLOWN FUEL ENGINES// FUNNY CARS, AND A LOT MORE, HE WAS ORIGINALY FROM COFFEYVILLE KS, BUT HE WAS TRULY WICHITA'S KING OF THE HILL IN THE SPORT OF DRAG RACEING, BUT MOST OF ALL A REALLY NICE GUY WHO HELPED RICH & POOR RACERS GO FAST FOR NOTHING OUT OF HIS LOVE FOR THE SPORT. AND MAKE NO MISTAKE "TED DETAR" WAS "THE KANSAS BAD MAN". HE DIED TRYING TO STRAIGHTEN OUT THE SUSPENSION OF AN OVER POWERD 57 CHEVY SO IT WOULD GO STRAIGHT,AND NOT KILL THE YOUNG OWNER/DRIVER, HE TEST DROVE IT AND IT GOT HIM IN A FREAK ACCIDENT. HE DIED DOING WHAT HE LOVED MOST IN LIFE, DRAG RACE!!
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« Reply #121 on: July 21, 2008, 10:35:45 PM » |
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Sounds like Ted was quite a guy. I never saw anyone on this website write anything bad about him. I believe Max has explained himself as well as he needs to. The name "Kansas Bad Man" has been his handle almost as long as it was Mr. DeTar's. So why is this an issue? Max isn't trying to infringe on Mr. DeTar's legacy. He races motorcycles, not cars. He also part of the landspeed fraternity, not drag racing. This should not be an issue for anyone. If you have a problem with Max using the moniker, you should direct your problems to him directly instead of trying to hard time him on a public forum. Just my .02......
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« Reply #122 on: July 22, 2008, 07:38:07 AM » |
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I can't believe this. Steve Detar implied that I have stolen his dad's handle. I replied extensively, explaining so that Steve would know that I didn't steal his dad's handle, I told him that I had never even heard of his dad until Steve posted on landracing.com.
By continuation to post on this subject you are implying that I lied as well.
You are calling me a thief and a liar before thousands of people by bringing it to this forum.
You could have simply picked up the phone or come over to discuss this face to face, as we all live in Wichita. Therefore you intended to malign my reputation publicly.
Be careful what you say.
All landracers are "wannabees", as their only goal is to always go faster.
Mad Max
The Kansas Bad Man
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More than likely Ted and I would have been great friends if we'd have known each other. He would have probably been in my garage working alongside me helping me prepare for the upcoming Bub Meet, instead of trying to get me distracted from the one dream of my life, which may come to pass in just a few weeks. Got to go now, don't have time for this.
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« Reply #123 on: July 22, 2008, 08:25:22 AM » |
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Steve and 2fast, people don't give themselves nicknames, someone else does and they stick. Read Max's website http://www.vincentstreamliner.com/2fast, Ted probably would be over helping Max, and the Kansas Bad Men would be friends... telling each other how they were nicknamed. Feel free to to introduce yourself in the introduction forum, but please take the caps off. If you are interested in LSR, read through the site, there is a lot of information. The wannabes that landspeed race are a different breed, and every gearhead that's worth his salt (pun intended) has dreamed of racing on the Bonneville Salt Flats. Some of us have drag racing pasts, some do not. Come to the Salt, you will be welcomed by all, we are that type of a group. You will find a wide variety of folks, some that use very little engines to go fast, and some that use very large engines to go faster, all in a variety of vehicles. The discussion of who should be the Kansas Bad Man is not relevant to the topic and that part of the distraction is over. We are chronicling how Max is putting his bike together and getting ready to challenge the World Land Speed Record for sidecar motorcycles, and then challenging the ultimate motorcycle record of 350 MPH. Welcome and have a great day Hope to see ya on the salt  |
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MSA Lakester #1000 my fastest mile 245 and change, 84 ci turbobusa motor... but Corey's H/BFL record is still 3MPH faster than mine.
Builder of Bike 278 1000cc APS-G, Kids Red Hat Record 208.959 (old PS rules)
Other kids A-G record 179.172 Josh O record 182.266
Co-owner of the Amo Steele Streamliner, #1411... still sorting
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« Reply #124 on: July 23, 2008, 04:54:36 PM » |
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Max has almost everything done, a couple of major things left to do. Last year during his last run, the clutch fried. I suspect it was caused by the fact he only had high gear left in the tranny and his liner is not pushed or towed. While that run netted him 250 MPH on the short course, it also left him with a smoked clutch. Max uses a 3 disc slider, yep designed and built in his garage. The carnage...  And the new discs. The discs are lined with the same material used on Airbus aircraft brake systems... Max just picked these up... put a big burn mark in his wallet...  |
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MSA Lakester #1000 my fastest mile 245 and change, 84 ci turbobusa motor... but Corey's H/BFL record is still 3MPH faster than mine.
Builder of Bike 278 1000cc APS-G, Kids Red Hat Record 208.959 (old PS rules)
Other kids A-G record 179.172 Josh O record 182.266
Co-owner of the Amo Steele Streamliner, #1411... still sorting
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« Reply #125 on: July 23, 2008, 05:34:12 PM » |
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OK, we will start looking at this bike. On the left, the Rons Racing 800 HP fuel pump supplies the mechanical fuel injection system with alcohol. The external 24 volt starter hooks in the red anodized holder and spins the motors via the big nut on the crankshaft. Timing is accomplished with the degree wheel. The ignition trigger aft and above and the second crankshaft with the blower drive.
Here is one of the blower drive
Jumping to the other side of the motor, the front motor exhaust pipes are the ones we laid in while installing the engines, they exit low on the left side. The aft motor pipes exit low on the right. Max has them exiting low in case of a motor failure, the thrust from the remaining motor is pushing low on the side of bike, minimizing the effect on handling. The wrapped pipe is actually double wrapped and then heat taped. In the past, that pipe has caused the paint to bubble a little. Yes it is that close, everything is that close... The other big job Max has to do is modify the engine to transmission chain cover. The new tranny has a larger pilot so Max needs to modify the outboard bearing support for the shaft. A large HiVo chain like the one from the engines to clutch is used from clutch to transmission.
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MSA Lakester #1000 my fastest mile 245 and change, 84 ci turbobusa motor... but Corey's H/BFL record is still 3MPH faster than mine.
Builder of Bike 278 1000cc APS-G, Kids Red Hat Record 208.959 (old PS rules)
Other kids A-G record 179.172 Josh O record 182.266
Co-owner of the Amo Steele Streamliner, #1411... still sorting
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« Reply #126 on: July 23, 2008, 06:04:34 PM » |
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OK, the body is not on yet, and Max may need to pull his jeans up a little to do this body on, but Max is proud that he can still throw a leg over this scooter and stand it up, while standing flat-footed on the floor.
The long and skinny of it... the story my grandson was hearing when he asked Max how long he has been building this bike. Max has been at this a long time, but I think his best line was explaining that you don't get beautiful butterflies immediately... you get an ugly worm or two along the way. I think Max has hit his butterfly.
OK, while we're showing kid pictures this is how you make them happy.... he is 5'6'', 155 lbs, fits pretty good, of course he is not wearing the firesuit and helmet... Max's current riders are only slightly larger. I'm not trying to get in there unless there is a tow truck handy.
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MSA Lakester #1000 my fastest mile 245 and change, 84 ci turbobusa motor... but Corey's H/BFL record is still 3MPH faster than mine.
Builder of Bike 278 1000cc APS-G, Kids Red Hat Record 208.959 (old PS rules)
Other kids A-G record 179.172 Josh O record 182.266
Co-owner of the Amo Steele Streamliner, #1411... still sorting
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« Reply #127 on: July 23, 2008, 06:24:36 PM » |
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If you look closely, you can spot little bits of daylight here and there. The hundred or so things have been hooked up, the 2 big jobs are in progress, and Max plans to fire it up Sunday... I plan to be there... I'm almost certain it will be a religious experience  |
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MSA Lakester #1000 my fastest mile 245 and change, 84 ci turbobusa motor... but Corey's H/BFL record is still 3MPH faster than mine.
Builder of Bike 278 1000cc APS-G, Kids Red Hat Record 208.959 (old PS rules)
Other kids A-G record 179.172 Josh O record 182.266
Co-owner of the Amo Steele Streamliner, #1411... still sorting
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« Reply #128 on: July 23, 2008, 06:57:53 PM » |
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Max plans to fire it up Sunday... I plan to be there... I'm almost certain it will be a religious experience Does your digital camera have a "movie" mode? Mike |
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Mike Kelly - PROUD owner of the V4F that powered the #1931 VGC to a 82.803 mph record in 2008!
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« Reply #129 on: July 23, 2008, 08:06:55 PM » |
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OK, while we're showing kid pictures this is how you make them happy.... he is 5'6'', 155 lbs, fits pretty good, of course he is not wearing the firesuit and helmet... Max's current riders are only slightly larger. I'm not trying to get in there unless there is a tow truck handy.
Is Don Angel (I think Angel is his last name) driving/riding this year? |
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« Reply #130 on: July 23, 2008, 10:46:50 PM » |
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Mike, yes, going to try my hand at utube before Sunday
Scott, yes Don Angel and Hartmut Weidelich will share pilot duties.
Noticed something I didn't show or at least describe. Max has a service port for the C02 so he can refill the bottle in place.
Also a better shot of the trans input shaft as well as the intake tubes connected to the blower, and just a touch of daylight shows through, almost enough to get your hand in to tighten up the bolts.
or this view, hard to pick pictures that really show what has been done here, you guys have to see this scooter in person.
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MSA Lakester #1000 my fastest mile 245 and change, 84 ci turbobusa motor... but Corey's H/BFL record is still 3MPH faster than mine.
Builder of Bike 278 1000cc APS-G, Kids Red Hat Record 208.959 (old PS rules)
Other kids A-G record 179.172 Josh O record 182.266
Co-owner of the Amo Steele Streamliner, #1411... still sorting
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« Reply #131 on: July 23, 2008, 11:27:52 PM » |
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Scott, yes Don Angel and Hartmut Weidelich will share pilot duties.
Don is a good guy I have spoke with him on a few ocassions at our club meetings. Scott |
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« Reply #132 on: July 24, 2008, 09:10:27 AM » |
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I figure every one on Max's crew is a "good guy" and like Max are interesting to talk to. If I am not too engaged with another bike out there, I hope to get to know them. I've watched them all in a thrash, not bad for a bunch of old guys... |
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MSA Lakester #1000 my fastest mile 245 and change, 84 ci turbobusa motor... but Corey's H/BFL record is still 3MPH faster than mine.
Builder of Bike 278 1000cc APS-G, Kids Red Hat Record 208.959 (old PS rules)
Other kids A-G record 179.172 Josh O record 182.266
Co-owner of the Amo Steele Streamliner, #1411... still sorting
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« Reply #133 on: July 25, 2008, 03:28:08 PM » |
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Checked on Max today, he was working on ignition timing and one of his major jobs was done. The clutch is in and ready to go. Still has to make the bearing support for the trans input shaft, plans to do that tomorrow and still planning to fire it up on Sunday. In fact he was headed to buy alcohol when I left. He has oil in the primary, no pool on the floor... Oil in the tank for the motors, no pool on the floor, the water tanks get the next leak check as he continues getting ready. Here are some pictures of the installed clutch, almost couldn't remember how I got the camera in there for the last one to get it back out, but the shot was worth it  |
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MSA Lakester #1000 my fastest mile 245 and change, 84 ci turbobusa motor... but Corey's H/BFL record is still 3MPH faster than mine.
Builder of Bike 278 1000cc APS-G, Kids Red Hat Record 208.959 (old PS rules)
Other kids A-G record 179.172 Josh O record 182.266
Co-owner of the Amo Steele Streamliner, #1411... still sorting
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« Reply #134 on: July 25, 2008, 10:18:43 PM » |
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Checked on Max today, he was working on ignition timing and one of his major jobs was done. The clutch is in and ready to go. Still has to make the bearing support for the trans input shaft, plans to do that tomorrow and still planning to fire it up on Sunday. In fact he was headed to buy alcohol when I left. He has oil in the primary, no pool on the floor... Oil in the tank for the motors, no pool on the floor, the water tanks get the next leak check as he continues getting ready. Here are some pictures of the installed clutch, almost couldn't remember how I got the camera in there for the last one to get it back out, but the shot was worth it Max is my New Hero  ! AWESOME WORK IF I DO SAY SO MYSELF  ! I thought I put allot of time and $ffort into my Bike  ? Thank You for Sharing it with US |
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