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Author Topic: What is the difference between Speed Week and the World Finals?  (Read 4317 times)
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« on: September 19, 2016, 10:05:26 PM »

I am new to all this and was thinking about attending the World Finals...
thanks!!!
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« Reply #1 on: September 19, 2016, 10:06:25 PM »

usually about 400 entries
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« Reply #2 on: September 19, 2016, 10:12:29 PM »

is it worth the trip or should I wait until next year?
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« Reply #3 on: September 19, 2016, 10:26:57 PM »

Your hotel bill will be about 25% of what you'd spend at Speedweek.

World Finals will give you a nice sampler, if it's something you're just wondering about.

A lot of folks who waited until "next year" wound up waiting two.
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« Reply #4 on: September 20, 2016, 12:42:41 AM »

sometimes ist about 60-80 degs. less in temperature
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« Reply #5 on: September 20, 2016, 12:12:22 PM »

So, with lower air temperatures you get more dense air and  as a result, higher power. 
How come more don't come to Bonneville when its cooler (and more enjoyable)?
Does the aero friction/drag caused by higher density air have more effect on speed than more engine power?
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« Reply #6 on: September 20, 2016, 12:55:10 PM »

In the past, World Finals has been rained out frequently.  I guess that's at least part of the reason they decided to move it up one week!
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« Reply #7 on: September 20, 2016, 03:48:53 PM »

In the past, World Finals has been rained out frequently.  I guess that's at least part of the reason they decided to move it up one week!

Exactly! grin
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« Reply #8 on: September 20, 2016, 04:13:12 PM »

And we hope this does not hit the racetrack.

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Partly cloudy early. Scattered thunderstorms developing in the afternoon. High around 80F. Winds SE at 10 to 20 mph. Chance of rain 40%.
 
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« Reply #9 on: September 20, 2016, 06:25:59 PM »

So, with lower air temperatures you get more dense air and  as a result, higher power. 
How come more don't come to Bonneville when its cooler (and more enjoyable)?
Does the aero friction/drag caused by higher density air have more effect on speed than more engine power?

That's a good question - and it depends.

If you have a car with really good aero and you're power challenged - say a normally aspirated streamliner with a small engine - the additional air density can create enough extra hp to push you faster.

But if you're running a little brick, the air density can kill you.  That was my experience in the Midget - adjusted altitude chart which roughly correlates with air density vs. speeds -



The MG - bad aero and low power - liked the thinner air, and my slowest runs were always in the heavy, cool air.  By the time it was so hot and thin you couldn't stand it, that's when I made speed.  Your results may vary . . .
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« Reply #10 on: September 20, 2016, 07:12:47 PM »

If you're going for vacation and to spectate, Speed Week is better. If you're going to race, World Finals is better.
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« Reply #11 on: September 20, 2016, 07:18:26 PM »

Chris;

I am surprised at the excellent correlation between the density altitude and top speed that you show in your chart. Good use of data!

Regards, Neil  Tucson, AZ
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« Reply #12 on: September 21, 2016, 11:17:02 AM »

Chris,
Glad you put that chart together, it makes good sense and goes along with what I have told folks in the past.

As the air get thinner you lose HP and lose aero drag. I have found that you lose aero drag slightly more than HP, and your chart shows that.

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« Reply #13 on: September 21, 2016, 11:31:47 PM »

Thanks - it held true for me, but I suspect with a blown motor using modern engine management, the thinner air might tip the scale even further.  It all depends on the combination, I suppose.

Either way, Eric, personally, I'd sample the smaller event first.  That way, when you do attend the big gig, you'll have a point of reference and won't be overwhelmed by Speedweek's magnitude.
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« Reply #14 on: September 22, 2016, 07:54:06 AM »

Blown motors change the whole ball game.

The higher you go the faster you will go, as long as the boost remains constant. In other words, you have the same HP and lower drag, what more could you ask for.

NA engines are the ones I was referring to, as the altitude split being in favor of more speed, but just slightly.

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