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« Reply #45 on: February 10, 2016, 03:51:38 PM »

In the 1930s Mercedes-Benz and Auto Union famously set many Class B (5-8 litre), Class C (3-5 litre) and Class D (2-3 litre) records. In modern terminology these would be engine classes 10, 9 and 8.
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« Reply #46 on: February 11, 2016, 08:02:46 AM »

 ............... and to create even more interest as to who holds which record the Category A capacity classes for 2016 are now thirteen in number (1 to 13!) up by two on the previous year:

1    up to 250 cc
2    250 - 350
3    350 - 500
4    500 - 750
5    750 - 1100
6   1100 - 1500
7   1500 - 2000
8   2000 - 3000
9   3000 - 4000
10 4000 - 6000
11 6000 - 7000
12 7000 - 8000
13 8000

and if you enter a (true) manufacturer production car (Category B) there are now 18 cylinder capacity divisions, starting at 1 - 500cc and ending with 18 - 6000cc plus


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« Reply #47 on: February 11, 2016, 08:10:15 AM »

It would seem accurate that Goldenrod exceeded (beat) the Golden Arrow record in what was Class 11, (which had been Class A) and is now Class 13!

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« Reply #48 on: February 11, 2016, 08:51:08 AM »

............... and to create even more interest as to who holds which record the Category A capacity classes for 2016 are now thirteen in number (1 to 13!) up by two on the previous year:

1    up to 250 cc
2    250 - 350
3    350 - 500
4    500 - 750
5    750 - 1100
6   1100 - 1500
7   1500 - 2000
8   2000 - 3000
9   3000 - 4000
10 4000 - 6000
11 6000 - 7000
12 7000 - 8000
13 8000



Why?? ?? ?? ?? ??   angry angry

As far as I can tell the Category A capacity classes above 500cc have been unchanged since they were established in March 1925 by the AIACR.  What motivated a change now?

So Class 11 (above 8 litres) became Class 13 (above 8 litres) at the end of 2015.  But when did Class A (above 8 litres) become Class 11 (above 8 litres)?  I think it was some time between 1960 and 1990 but have not been able to narrow it down further!

[Edited to be linked to the correct post.  Sorry, brain malfunction.]

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« Reply #49 on: February 11, 2016, 12:45:38 PM »

Malcolm & Tricky,

I used by purpose the older 2005 FIA list to be not in conflict with Charles Nearburg run....

the idea for the change from 11 to 13 they had, when they add the weight classes, instead of three now 12 (?)....have to check this

I think both racer match into the 13 (former 11).....Golden Arrow .....24 000 cc.......Summers....28 000 cc.....just a little bit more than 8 000 cc rolleyes

to the lists I got it looks that they changed from letters to digital when they done the big change in the 60's.....

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« Reply #50 on: February 11, 2016, 01:37:44 PM »

............... and to create even more interest as to who holds which record the Category A capacity classes for 2016 are now thirteen in number (1 to 13!) up by two on the previous year:

1    up to 250 cc
2    250 - 350
3    350 - 500
4    500 - 750
5    750 - 1100
6   1100 - 1500
7   1500 - 2000
8   2000 - 3000
9   3000 - 4000
10 4000 - 6000
11 6000 - 7000
12 7000 - 8000
13 8000


Someone in the FIA is going to have a lot of fun redistributing the records from the (old) Classes 9 and 10 over the (new) Classes 9, 10, 11 and 12!  evil

And there are going to be some pissed off people who used to hold records with a 4.x litre engine when they discover they have been usurped by others with a 5.x litre engine.
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« Reply #51 on: February 11, 2016, 01:51:16 PM »


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the chance from 11 to 13 was done when the add the weight classes, instead of three now 12 (?)....have to check this

I think both racer match into the 13 (former 11).....Golden Arrow .....24 000 cc.......Summers....28 000 cc.....just a little bit more than 8 000 cc rolleyes

to the lists I got it looks that they changed from letters to digital when they done the big change in the 60's.....

Thomas, the number of FIA weight classes increased from 3 to 11 (not 12) on 1 January 2013.  As Malcolm has spotted the change from 11 to 13 capacity classes is only since 1 January 2016.

I had a quick flick through the new Appendix D (available on the FIA web site) and the only other change I could see in this area was splitting hydrogen-powered reciprocating engines into two groups: supercharged and not.  So all you people looking to set hydrogen records: you can now double the glory by setting records with and without your turbocharger connected.  rolleyes

There's also a lot of pages about safety equipment that I don't remember seeing before, but I don't know whether that is new this year.
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« Reply #52 on: February 11, 2016, 01:53:07 PM »

...what I can't understand is the big gap in 10....this are two liter....before they used one liter different....and with 11 and 12 they are going back to one liter.....

how makes this sense......this is FIA.... rolleyes rolleyes rolleyes

to get this properly filled....hope to all the record runs, they have now to take care....they got also the data sheet to the engine size....and a lot of records are now sitting between the chairs....means they are not anymore record holder...too big for the record in the lower size...and too slow in the new class....

....and what's up with this racer, who tried to break a record and the speed they set was too slow to set a record...but with the new size rules they had the record....

I'm not sure if the FIA had all this on the screen....they had trouble to keep the mess out of the list with no changes in the rule for the last three decades.....

Tricky, thanks...I wasn't sure if it was 12....so we got now 11......about the engine size....when I  talked to the FIA in 2012 about the possible changes in the weight class they also talked about the engine size.....surprised that they need now that long....maybe they realized the conflict with records they are running into.....
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« Reply #53 on: February 11, 2016, 02:47:22 PM »

The vehicle driver and event safety supplements are new this year and represent some of the lessons learnt at the Shootout event a day after George crashed. The event regulations will affect anyone attempting an FIA speed record on a straight course. As anyone who is building a spaceframe chassis needs to look at the SCTA rule book, I am sure sales will arise for 2016 and onwards.

What it shows is the FIA Records Commission are aware of what is happening with record attempts and if approached in the correct manner they do respond and make alterations.

So have representations been made to the FIA representatives in Australia and the USA regarding the one hour servicing being changed to 2 hours on the grounds of safety?

[I do not gamble but it might be a safe bet to take].  
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« Reply #54 on: February 12, 2016, 12:08:48 PM »

The vehicle driver and event safety supplements are new this year and represent some of the lessons learnt at the Shootout event a day after George crashed. The event regulations will affect anyone attempting an FIA speed record on a straight course. As anyone who is building a spaceframe chassis needs to look at the SCTA rule book, I am sure sales will arise for 2016 and onwards.

What it shows is the FIA Records Commission are aware of what is happening with record attempts and if approached in the correct manner they do respond and make alterations.

So have representations been made to the FIA representatives in Australia and the USA regarding the one hour servicing being changed to 2 hours on the grounds of safety?

[I do not gamble but it might be a safe bet to take].  

About the safety requirements.....there was more or less no requirements in the FIA rules for safety......in the other hand....the FIA records in the last years was all set by racers which run under the SCTA safety requirement rules....so all this racers were well prepared and if Salt Happens the protection works right...and the driver walked away...

This new safety rules can mean the end of the NAE attempt....this racer had to be modified in some points....depends what the FIA like to see.....if they like to follow the SCTA rules....which would make sense....the NAE team will have a lot of work to fit in.....Invader and Bloodhound are built proper and match to the SCTA standard.....
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« Reply #55 on: February 12, 2016, 02:38:36 PM »

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This new safety rules can mean the end of the NAE attempt....this racer had to be modified in some points....depends what the FIA like to see.....if they like to follow the SCTA rules....which would make sense....the NAE team will have a lot of work to fit in.....Invader and Bloodhound are built proper and match to the SCTA standard.....

But does the North American Eagle comply with WLSRA safety rules?
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« Reply #56 on: February 12, 2016, 04:23:50 PM »


But does the North American Eagle comply with WLSRA safety rules?


One would imagine that when they are written there will be one red car meeting them ......

[The FIA do allow any vehicle of a monocoque design to have 'equivalent safety'.]
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« Reply #57 on: February 12, 2016, 06:28:40 PM »

About the safety requirements.....there was more or less no requirements in the FIA rules for safety
Not true. I was reading them just a while ago, before the new ones were posted, and the rule was quite clear.  "Vehicle must be of safe construction."  (something like that, anyhow)
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« Reply #58 on: February 13, 2016, 01:29:28 AM »

. . . Seems quite subjective, but I think the intention is noble (no pun intended).

Back to the subject of "A New Governing Body with new rules - WLSRA",  I think that
things should be kept relatively uncomplicated regarding vehicle classifications, categories,
etc.  -- particularly if the intent there is to primarily help attempts at really FAST speed
records.

Maybe it could be something like 2 classes:

        A)  Primarily Wheel-driven (allowing exhaust gases to help with thrust)

        B)  Other  (primarily thrust-driven)

And no, this way it would not be about "fairness".  It would be about official (within the
scope of the particular sanctioning organization that recognizes it) acknowledgment of
the speed(s) attained.

I do, however, think that safety should be of extreme importance.



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« Reply #59 on: February 13, 2016, 04:54:42 AM »


 "Vehicle must be of safe construction."  (something like that, anyhow)

....how often did Lee Kennedy heard this when he sent the racer back into the pits without sticker....... rolleyes rolleyes rolleyes rolleyes rolleyes rolleyes rolleyes rolleyes rolleyes rolleyes rolleyes
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