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There is a good article on the NAE and Ed on www.hemmings.com I'm not sure why these things never get posted here, facebook or their site? Anybody got any insight? Diamond valley in Feb? Go Fast USA! |
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« Reply #181 on: November 04, 2017, 07:23:07 PM » |
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According to the FIA rules, you cannot use winged surfaces to control the vehicle, otherwise it's considered an airplane. We just cannot run when the wind is blowing.
Eeek...Bloodhound has canards and a tailplane which are adjustable for stability...I assume this is OK? |
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« Reply #182 on: November 04, 2017, 07:36:20 PM » |
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They can be preset, you just can't fly it on the ground.
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« Reply #183 on: November 05, 2017, 03:17:33 PM » |
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The Bloodhound team have read and are following the FIA rules, which I have copied below. What is interesting is that D2.3.3.b still allows interpretation, because it does not refer to whether or not the vehicle is in motion when a device is moved!
Apart from the spelling of movable with an e, which may show that the text could have originally been in French and then translated, Category C vehicles can be aerodynamically controlled, which for supersonic and beyond might be a very good safety factor.
D2.3.3 Category C: Special Automobiles.
D2.3.3.a These Records may be subdivided according to the type of engine used (jet, rocket, etc.).
D2.3.3.b The use of moveable aerodynamic devices is permitted.
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« Reply #184 on: November 05, 2017, 04:01:37 PM » |
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It might get kind of sketchy moving an aerodynamic device at speed.
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« Reply #185 on: November 05, 2017, 04:29:41 PM » |
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Don't I recall that some experimental aeroplanes have movable aerodynamic devices?  |
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« Reply #186 on: November 05, 2017, 05:04:12 PM » |
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Don't I recall that some experimental aeroplanes have movable aerodynamic devices? LOL.  Sid. |
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« Reply #187 on: November 06, 2017, 06:57:32 AM » |
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I am told that most jet fighters, working admittedly in three dimensions without any one fixed surface, use aero trim control to assist pilot 'stick' inputs.
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« Reply #188 on: November 07, 2017, 09:46:01 AM » |
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It might get kind of sketchy moving an aerodynamic device at speed.
I put some more thought into this. The NAE has numerous computers, microprocessors and sensors. With those controlling any type of adjustments ; any aerodynamic changes should be completely safe. |
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« Reply #189 on: January 17, 2018, 11:35:34 AM » |
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Half way through January any news NAE? Last article I saw it looked like the BLM had given the OK for Diamond Valley in Feb. It's hard to raise money with a media blackout in this day and age. Ed I hope all is well with you as well. F&#@ Cancer! Good luck Go Fast USA! Keep your fans and sponsors informed.
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« Reply #190 on: January 17, 2018, 10:17:13 PM » |
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The Bloodhound team have read and are following the FIA rules, which I have copied below. What is interesting is that D2.3.3.b still allows interpretation, because it does not refer to whether or not the vehicle is in motion when a device is moved!
Apart from the spelling of movable with an e, which may show that the text could have originally been in French and then translated, Category C vehicles can be aerodynamically controlled, which for supersonic and beyond might be a very good safety factor.
D2.3.3 Category C: Special Automobiles.
D2.3.3.a These Records may be subdivided according to the type of engine used (jet, rocket, etc.).
D2.3.3.b The use of moveable aerodynamic devices is permitted.
When you are shooting to be the fastest wheeled vehicle on the planet, why are there any construction rules at all? (safety excepted)
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« Reply #191 on: January 18, 2018, 10:35:27 AM » |
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When you are shooting to be the fastest wheeled vehicle on the planet, why are there any construction rules at all? (safety excepted)
It is probably because the governing bodies (responsible for 'World' outright speed records) have to protect themselves from the reckless, whose interpretation of "safe" may not in fact be so. At the end of the legal battle over who was responsible for the loss of a driver (or indeed rider) the lawyers on behalf of the family of that driver or rider or pilot, will point at those who facilitated and had overall control of the speed record attempt concerned. The first such mega million legal action could lead to the end of continuing governance. As has been posted on another thread there will be aerodynamic studies required for FIA speed record contenders in 2019. [Could this come to the SCTA/BNI in future years?] |
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« Reply #192 on: January 18, 2018, 07:04:40 PM » |
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God save us from the damned lawyers! Shakespeare was right. Henry VI, Part 2, Act IV, Scene 2.  Regards, Neil Tucson, AZ |
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« Reply #193 on: January 19, 2018, 10:16:18 AM » |
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« Reply #194 on: January 19, 2018, 11:20:08 AM » |
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Nevada’s Diamond Valley- Interesting; is this BLM land?
Regards, Neil Tucson, AZ
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