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Re: Poor Salt Conditions - all topics merged into one
« Reply #721 on: August 06, 2015, 01:27:07 PM »
GO LOUISE!!!  :cheers: :cheers: :cheers:
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« Reply #722 on: August 06, 2015, 01:32:09 PM »
Good Job Louise!
Now waiting for the follow up from the BLM and Geologist.

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Re: Poor Salt Conditions - all topics merged into one
« Reply #723 on: August 06, 2015, 01:35:06 PM »
Thanks Louise :cheers:
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Re: Poor Salt Conditions - all topics merged into one
« Reply #724 on: August 06, 2015, 01:46:25 PM »
Funny they don't talk about the train loads leaving every week.
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Re: Poor Salt Conditions - all topics merged into one
« Reply #725 on: August 06, 2015, 01:56:43 PM »
Thank you Louise, your part was very good...but from there on it's been all down hill. Not impressed with Dr. Bowen (a paid shill for the mining company that will NEVER find them doing anything wrong) and the same old song and dance from the Bureau Of Land Mismanagement.
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« Reply #726 on: August 06, 2015, 02:04:10 PM »
The last half was extremely aggravating. The format bugged me, have Louise give a great summary up front of how we feel but then don't have her on the second half to actually have a discussion. Sure, we can call in (by the way thanks Rick!) but then don't have any real discussion with them, just one question and done? Come on now.
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« Reply #727 on: August 06, 2015, 02:06:22 PM »
I found one thing interesting, that the BLM rep said "we have no evidence it is shrinking".

Do the folks in SCTA or USFRA BNI have historical information about the length of the suitable salt tracks year by year going back in the 1960's or so?
Perhaps a historical search of Hot Rod Magazine articles and such if all else fails to prepare a tabulated list of how long the long course on speed week and the International Courses were year by year. I have heard second hand comments that in the glory days of the 1960's when Micky Thompson,Craig Breedlove, Gary Gabelich, Art Arfons etc. ran that they had long courses in the neighborhood of 12 miles or better, now we are lucky to get 7 miles of good salt for the long course and International Courses.

That is a pretty good bit of useful data but we need to capture it and put it in a report of historic racing conditions and get it submitted to the BLM study group while we still have people who have first hand recollection and personal notes about how long the courses were in previous years.

I'm sure that the folks who have had the misfortune to run off the good salt into the mud will remember very clearly how far down they were when they hit the mud. (write that stuff down folks or it will disappear with time!)

I would assume that the survey crews that did the course surveys would also have records of how far they went before they got to the end of good salt conditions.
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Re: Poor Salt Conditions - all topics merged into one
« Reply #728 on: August 06, 2015, 02:14:34 PM »
I heard a lot of key little statements slid in there.  None of which bode well for a "small group of people who want it to remain unchanged"

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Re: Poor Salt Conditions - all topics merged into one
« Reply #729 on: August 06, 2015, 02:18:16 PM »
I also believe that there's a technical piece. The discussion of salt crust versus the halite, the salt we know and race on. There's a good bit of salt in with the mud.
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« Reply #730 on: August 06, 2015, 02:24:53 PM »
I was actually pleased that Brenda Bowen discussed the complex layer cake structure and specifically mentioned that the part of the salt deposit that makes the salt flats useful for racing is the hard halite crust on the surface. We need to make a point over and over again that the issue most important to the use of the salt flats for its historical use as a racing surface (and other recreational uses) is the halite top crust. It might be nice if the deeper layers are getting better due to the salt lay down project but the hard surface halite crust is what makes the flats useful and we can document is diminishing. It does not matter if they have positive mass balance on the pumping if they are just repeatedly pumping the same brine in a loop over and over. It has to be allowed to evaporate on the surface to restore the halite crust, not just run in a loop in the shallow brine aquifer.

Don't tell me you have a positive mass balance, prove to me a fraction of that positive mass balance precipitated out as halite to restore the top racing surface.

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Re: Poor Salt Conditions - all topics merged into one
« Reply #731 on: August 06, 2015, 02:25:45 PM »
Hotrod, Bingham Engineering out of SLC did the surveying for years for SCTA/BNI. I don't knowwho is doing it now.
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Re: Poor Salt Conditions - all topics merged into one
« Reply #732 on: August 06, 2015, 02:34:36 PM »
I didn't catch the first half.
Any racers that listened to that would have to be angrier than before, just like I am. I tried to get in but their phones weren't picking up, inagine that! Rick got to "leave a statement" that got white washed.
To Joe Public it would all sound like it's no big problem.
Miss Intrepid 2015 Brenda Bowen needs to go out there & bore a F***ing hole in the $hit just like I did & take a look down the muther.
"Putting back more than they're taking out"! Where the F**k are they getting that from??
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Re: Poor Salt Conditions - all topics merged into one
« Reply #733 on: August 06, 2015, 02:40:58 PM »
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"Putting back more than they're taking out"!

It sounds to me like they are just looking at entries on a spread sheet.

pumped x + y tons of salt over the highway, extracted x tons of salt for sale, that must mean they left y tons of salt in the salt flats.
That only works if the brine that they pump over is not immediately flowing back to the south side of the highway and getting picked up by their pumps for another trip over the highway.

It is entirely possible they are just pumping brine in a loop, pumping the same brine over the highway over and over and over, with only a small fraction of it actually remaining as precipitated salt. I have not seen any data of any kind that "proves" they are leaving salt behind in the race course area.

They are just assuming that to be the case I suspect.

They need to put a chemical tracer in the brine that they pump over and see if it shows up back in their shallow aquifer collection channels as fast as they pump it over the highway.

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Re: Poor Salt Conditions - all topics merged into one
« Reply #734 on: August 06, 2015, 03:19:12 PM »
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Here is a Bonneville Salt Flats Timeline produced by the STS coalition, Rick/Jinx Vesco and myself. Please read to put the salt shrinkage into perspective over the last 100 years as well as the legislative aspects. We do need scientific studies to keep track of things. What we are missing is action taken once those studies were complete. This is a first draft and may require updating and correction. Should you wish to comment on adding an update, or correcting an omission, please send personal message to me.


Save The Salt Foundation is a nonprofit organization whose mission is to protect the Bonneville Salt Flats in Utah and to promote its history and motorsports legacy.  The organization aspires to keep this national treasure available for future generations.  

The Bonneville Salt Flats (BSF) were originally called “The Salduro Marsh.” Salduro means “hard or rock hard salt.” Geologists describe the salt flats as centered in a bowl shaped area rich in concentrated minerals and underlying heavy carbonate mud. Based on the length, width and depth described in historical reports, the area under the five foot plus salt crust can be described as a “shallow dinner plate.”

This is critical to understanding the area’s salt loss and surface crust quality problems created by human interference throughout the past 100 years. The 1% annual loss of salt crust exposes a progressively enlarging mud around the perimeter. This increases dust pollution and rain erosion mud transfers onto the salt crust.

Prior to the 1900s, Bonneville’s crust was unobstructed from Wendover, 80 miles east to Knolls and stretched some 100 miles to the south. Australia’s Lake Gairdner of present day mirrors Bonneville’s past condition.

1846      
Ill-fated Donner-Reed party crosses the BSF on the way to California. Wagon tracks can still be seen on the edges of the BSF.

1890
G. K. Gilbert publishes “Lake Bonneville: U.S. Geological Survey” May 1, 1890. Carpenter, Everett, Ground water in Box Elder and Tooele Counties, Utah

1896
Bill Rishel becomes first man to cross the salt flats on a bicycle in a 3,000-mile coast-to-coast race. A.L. Westward of the National Trails Association, declares BSF “the greatest speedway on earth.”

1906-1907
Western Pacific Railroad line constructed through Bonneville Salt Flats. This westward rail expansion pierced the Salduro Marsh dead center towards Wendover. Records and studies of the work performed cite numerous difficulties encountered in constructing the railroad due to the salt flats thickness and hardness.
 
1907
Mining begins in the area with a team of horses and a single plow blade. The town of Salduro was at the center of the thickest section of the salt crust.

1910
Future Salt Lake City Mayor, Ab Jenkins became the first person to ride a motorized vehicle across the salt flats on his motorcycle.

1913
Document: U.S. Geol. Survey Water-Supply Paper 333, 1913.

1914
First unofficial world land speed record set at the BSF by Teddy Tetzlaff. Tetzlaff remarked on the smoothness of the salt and how the coolness of the salt surface did not overheat tires. Top tire companies began testing tires on the BSF by sponsoring events. Utah Governor William Spry was on hand to watch Tetlaff’s racing and rode with Tetzlaff in the record-setting car on the flats.
   
Chicago: “The Railway Age Gazette” pronounces “this natural racing-track is a level bed of salt, 98 % pure…The salt-beds are 65 miles long and 8 miles wide. The estimated depth, in the middle, is 12 - 15 feet.”

1915
First recorded destruction of BSF. Salt Lake Tribune, Sept. 12, 1915 article: “Mighty Bed Of Salt Being Scooped Up For Use Of Mankind.” Opening paragraph states, “The world’s greatest natural speedway is being torn up and ground up and dispensed to the public in cartons and packages…,The largest deposit of pure salt yet discovered is being marred, is disappearing…,The saline deposit covers a surface area approximately sixty-five miles long and twenty-five miles wide.”

1916
Document:  Anonymous, Potash in the lake muds of western Utah: U.S. Geol. Survey Press Bulletin 271, May, 1916. Gale, H.S., Potash in Salduro salt deposits: Eng. and Min. Jour., vol. 102 pp. 780-82 , Oct. 23, 1916

1917
Utah-Salduro Company (subsidiary of Solvay Process Co.) begins harvesting minerals from the BSF for potash production

Document: Gale, H.S., Potash in 1916: U.S. Geol. Survey Mineral Resources, 1916, pt 2, pp. 98 - 100, 1917

1917-1918
Brine collection ditch dug at Salduro Loop, spoil from the ditches piled up to construct the dike around Salduro Loop. These ditches would later be abandoned, leaving tailings within just feet of the historical 13 mile and 10 mile proving grounds, racetracks & spill mud onto the raceway crust from wind and surface water erosion.

1920
Congress gives 40 sq. miles to The Bonneville Corporation which was added to the 49 sq. miles they had acquired from the Utah-Salduro Co. making a total 57,500 acres.

1919-1925
Victory Highway (Highway 40) constructed through BSF. Future mayor of Salt Lake City, Ab Jenkins, raced a train from Salt Lake City to Wendover and won as part of celebration.
1927   Study: Thomas B. Nolan, Potash Brines in the Great Salt Lake Desert, Utah, U.S. Geological Survey Bulletin 795-B. “The salt is reported to reach a maximum thickness of 5 feet near the central portion of the deposit. The greatest amount found during boring, however, was 3 1/2 feet near Salduro station. From the maximum it thins rather gradually to zero at the edge.”

1933 - 1957
Ab Jenkins begins his triple decade career of setting 56 AAA Contest Board National Speed and Endurance Records on BSF. Hundreds of records would follow.

1935
First Internationally recognized World Land Speed Record set at BSF by Britain’s Sir Malcolm Campbell; new record prompts international land speed racing community to relocate all future efforts from Daytona Beach, Florida to the BSF. Ab Jenkins was directly responsible for epic shift.

Britain’s John Cobb sets 24-hour endurance  and  21 additional world speed records inside a week on the BSF. Jenkins, now Salt Lake City mayor, sets a land speed record on a Allis-Chalmers tractor.
   
1936
Bonneville Ltd. acquires Salduro mining operation and revives potash production.
Ab Jenkins, SLC mayor, driving his “Mormon Meteor” designed by Augie Duesenberg, sets 72 records, some of which would stand for nearly 50 years.

1946   
Bureau of Land Management (BLM) becomes custodian of the BSF

1947
Britain’s John Cobb runs his 400 mph race car on BSF as part of Utah’s Centennial. The official program declares “The salt is like concrete. Bonneville is the world’s finest race course for several reasons. Its extreme hardness gives speeding cars maximum traction…”  

1949
First “Bonneville National Speed Trials” (precursor to modern “Speed Week”) held at the BSF

1956
General Motors names its all–new 1957 Pontiac model “Bonneville” after Ab and Marvin Jenkins set every American records possible with new car.
1963   Federal government issues potassium leases covering 24,699.83 acres on the BSF to Bonneville Ltd.; leases cover area north of the highway and just east of the BSF race tracks; collection ditches dug on leases to allow for withdrawal of salt brine for potash production

1964
Kaiser Aluminum and Chemical Corp. acquires potash mining operation

1965
Kaiser requests permission from U.S. Geological Survey (USGS) to begin pumping from the collection ditches north of Hwy 40 into the potash mining operation

1966
Mining company abandons Salduro Loop ditch

Early 1960s-1970s
Racers began noticing a problem with the salt crust

Late 1960s-1970s
Studies undertaken Utah Geological and Mineralogical Survey and the U.S. Geological Survey to determine extent of salt loss at the BSF

1963 - 1970
Craig Breedlove driving “Spirit of America,” Art Arfons, Driving “Green Monster” and Gary Gabelich driving “The Blue Flame” focus worldwide attention on BSF driving handbuilt jet and rocket-powered cars that reclaim the World Land Speed Record from the British. From 407MPH, the Americans raise the absolute bar to 622MPH in 7 years.

1972
Interstate 80 constructed across the BSF replacing Hwy 40

1973
Hydrogeology of BSF studied by Utah Geological and Mineral Survey; study notes that brine under the salt flats is “collected by a system of ditches and transferred to solar evaporation ponds where potassium chloride salts are precipitated and harvested…”  and that “shallow brine aquifer is the uppermost 25 feet of lacustrine sediments.  Because the brine is harvested for its potash content, it has been explored in more detail than the rest of the hydrologic system.”

1974
Utah Geological and Mineral Survey conducts study comparing salt crust thickness in July 1960 to October 1974 and determines there was a 100% decrease in cubic yards of salt crust over 4 feet thick during that time period

1975
Bonneville Salt Flats Race Track added to National Register of Historic Places

1979
U.S. Geological Survey and BLM study “Hydrology and Surface Morphology of the Bonneville Salt Flats and Pilot Valley Playa, Utah”; study concludes: “Weather cycles may partly explain changes on the Bonneville salt crust. But the activities of man, such as withdrawing brine and constructing surface-drainage barriers, have altered the hydrologic environment and have had a profound effect on the salt crust. Water-level data indicate that during 1976 brine was moving through the shallow-brine aquifer on the Salt Flats from the area of salt crust toward all areas of manmade discharge (brine-collection ditches east and south of the salt crust and alluvial-fan wells west of the salt crust).”  Study also says: “Elimination of brine withdrawals from the ditch system north of the interstate highway would eliminate a yearly loss of about 680 acre-feet of brine and 270,000 tons of salt.”

1982
Britain’s Richard Noble abandons BSF for Nevada’s Black Rock Desert due to reduced length of the salt’s international speedway. This removes BSF as the absolute world record-setting site. Noble sets 633MPH record on Black Rock.
   
1985
30,203 acres of the BSF designated as Area of Critical Environmental Concern and identified as the Bonneville Salt Flats Special Recreation Management Area

1986
Rick Vesco documents photographically massive amounts of mud sloughing off the mining tailings next to the raceway installed by the mining operations. He also noted water being drawn off the surface of the salt flats into the NE collection ponds 17 miles in length.

1988
Reilly Industries, Inc. acquires potash mining operation

1989
BLM Recreational Lands Manager, Gregg Morgan ESPN interview notes, “We are concerned with the loss of salt on the perimeter and with the overall loss. The study we completed a year ago, which updates the one we did 14 years ago shows that we are losing 1% of salt from the surface each year. That amounts to 1.6 million tons annually. At that rate, in ten years possibly there will not be enough salt to race on and in thirty years not enough salt to sustain what we call the Bonneville Salt Flats.”   

Save the Salt  (STS), a non-profit, is founded by racers, businesses and community members with common goal of saving the BSF

1990s
After years of warning the BLM that conditions at the BSF are deteriorating, the racing community is apoplectic about poor conditions and continued salt loss; racers approach Congress in an attempt to force the BLM to take action

1991
S. 1184 introduced on May 24, 1991 by Sen. Jake Garn (R-UT) and Sen. Orrin Hatch (R-UT) to require Sec. of Interior to conduct a study to determine the nature and extent of the salt loss from the salt flat crust occurring at Bonneville Salt Flats, Utah and authorizes appropriations for same; H.R. 1727 introduced on April 11, 1991 by Rep. James Hansen (R-UT) to require Sec. of Interior to conduct a study to determine the nature and extent of the salt loss from the salt flat crust occurring at Bonneville Salt Flats, Utah; H.R. 1096 amended on July 23, 1991 by Rep. Wayne Owens (D-UT) to require Sec. of Interior to conduct a study to determine the nature and extent of the salt loss from the salt flat crust occurring at Bonneville Salt Flats, Utah

1992
Due to shrinkage, the available speedway lengths force Bonneville Nationals, Speed Week officials, to change international timing procedures. No longer could they support the required two-way runs within an hour and concentrated on only setting national records.

Public Land Order 6941 withdraws 30,203 acres of the BSF from surface entry and mining for period of 20 years, but does not impact the federal mineral leases
1993   H.R. 1603 introduced on April 1, 1993 by Rep. Bruce Vento (D-MN) to authorize appropriations for BLM for fiscal years 1994-97 and require Sec. of Interior to conduct a study to determine the nature and extent of the salt loss from the salt flat crust occurring at BSF, Utah

1995
Racing community, mine owner Reilly, the BLM and the state of Utah negotiate a voluntary agreement to restore the BSF whereby Reilly will pump salt brine back onto the BSF during the winter months for five years beginning in 1997

1997
Reilly begins pumping salt brine onto the BSF under voluntary salt laydown project. Independent testing of salt brine and surface samples reveal consistency is excellent for supporting racing vehicles.

1997
U.S. Geological Survey entitled “Investigation of Salt Loss from the Bonneville Salt Flats, Northwestern Utah” explains that “maximum salt-crust thickness was 7 feet in 1960 and 5.5 feet in 1988.”  Study concluded that “with an estimated net loss of salt from the shallow-brine aquifer, the dissolved-solids concentration must be maintained by dissolution of the salt crust.”

2002
Voluntary pumping agreement expires but Reilly chooses to continue pumping operation
2004   BLM Professional Geologist W.W. White III evaluates success of the voluntary pumping program: “The 2-inch increase to salt-crust thickness expected as a result of the project was not observed in measurements from recent test pits and auger holes excavated in BSF….excepting contribution to the new salt-crust area, most of the 6.2 million tons of salt transported to BSF was apparently incorporated into the underlying shallow-brine aquifer.”

White also notes: “The capability of the shallow-brine aquifer to accept additional NaCl is significant, because it is the shallow-brine aquifer that regulates the distribution of NaCl mass to the BSF salt crust. If the Laydown NaCl mass is assimilated by the shallow-brine aquifer, then: 1) one would anticipate an increase of NaCl concentration in the affected area of the shallow-brine aquifer, and 2) it would not be unreasonable to expect that more halite mass would be added to the existing salt crust as a result of this increased NaCl concentration.”

2004
Intrepid Potash, Inc. acquires potash mining operation from Reilly; BLM and the Utah Division of Oil, Gas and Mining request Intrepid submit a new mining plan

2009
Intrepid submits draft mining plan; BLM denies racing community the opportunity to participate in reviewing/commenting on the mining plan.

2011
Intrepid and BLM prepare an Environmental Assessment (EA) on the mining plan; racing community provides extensive comments on the plan including the fact that under preservation law, the BSF Historic Registry listing triggered obligations by the BLM to consult the State Historic Preservation Officer (SHPO), provide an opportunity for the Advisory Council on Historic Preservation to comment, and provide the racing community with “interested party” status  

2012
BLM approves mining plan and final EA contingent on Intrepid continuing the salt laydown project and returning an amount of salt in brine form equal to the amount of salt they remove from the BSF; the BLM explains that it has not informed the SHPO of degradation at the BSF “because it has never been determined that the conditions of the BSF are attributed to the mining operations, the BLM did not believe it needed to inform the SHPO of anything”; strangely, the BLM also opined in the final EA that “removing mineral from the shallow brine aquifer north of I-80 may be causing the salt layer to thin and retract.  Intrepid’s voluntary continuation of the salt laydown project may not be sufficient to prevent diminishment of the Bonneville Salt Flats (BSF) from drawing off the brine from adjacent areas.  Such diminishment would degrade the unique geology and historical relevance of the site and would disrupt the recreational opportunities that have been part of the BSF for over 80 years.”

BLM denies Save the Salt’s request for “interested party” status and encourages “the Coalition to seek salt laydown results directly from the [mining] Company.”

2012
Public Land Order 6941 extended and set to expire on August 5, 2032

2013
Racers continue to see degradation at the salt flats and worsening conditions on and around the race courses; the racing community, acting through their nonprofit “Save the Salt,” request BLM allow a dry salt laydown test to determine whether dry salt laydown is viable; numerous exchanges between Save the Salt representatives and the BLM take place in which BLM requests further details

2014
After months of exchanges, BLM indicates that the test may interfere with their own ongoing studies and requests Save the Salt prepare an abbreviated EA

Save the Salt works with Bingham Engineering to help prepare the abbreviated EA; based on the engineering report, Save the Salt determines it will not be able to afford the EA process and dry salt laydown plan

An estimated 2,000 tons of salt were successfully deposited on the mud surface at the end of the access road to the BSF racing area; the surface had originally been covered by salt but has been reduced to mud due to continued salt loss over the years

2015
Save the Salt internally develops alternatives for improving the conditions at the Bonneville Salt Flats, but is reticent about submitting ideas to the BLM based on previous difficulties in getting the agency to engage on the issue.

Save the Salt reaches out to members of Congress in effort to keep BLM engaged on the issue and hopefully direct the agency to undertake additional mitigation efforts
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