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« Reply #60 on: November 13, 2016, 04:51:57 AM »

1990. We were all a lot younger then & some are gone now.

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Al's 400.6 mph run was at World of Speed, I think?  Top Time at Speed Week was 393.xxx.

What happened on the return run?  As far I can tell Al did set a couple of records at World of Speed that year, but not using the 400.6 mph run.

And for a bonus point: who else ran over 400 mph in 1990 (wheel-driven)?  smiley


Bonus Answer: Nolan White

Two names needed to get that point...  evil

What are you on  about here Dick?
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OK, I was being a bit obtuse, hoping to tease out memories from people who were there.

My understanding of the somewhat sparse historical record is that there were three 400+ runs in 1990: Nolan White, Al Teague and one other. And Nolan's was only over a km so surprised that counts from a US perspective.  shocked

It seems there was lots happening in 1990-91, leading up to Al just beating the Goldenrod speed (different classes, I know), but apart from the final 409.986/409.978 records it's very poorly documented.
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« Reply #61 on: November 13, 2016, 08:06:25 AM »

Are there any videos of Al T. setting his 409+ record?


Don't know about videos, run was in 1991.

In 1990, Al's 389 run was the only one over 300 for the meet. No 400 passes at speedweek. Don't know about WOS.




Didn't Al make something like four passes over 300 (and set two records) at 1990 Speed Week?

Well, having missed that Nolan White did make one pass at 330.204 ( my apologies) I am going to say no. The meet was shortened by a wet track at the beginning of the week and wind at the end. AT made a 353.662( record at the time was 354.330) run on Tuesday, 8/21 and then on Friday a record at 389.372. That was a combination of 393.741 a presumed down run and whatever return (haven't done the math and it is not in the results) it takes for the above mentioned record. ( It is possible those times were reversed, the results don't show) So unless I missed something again  embarassed  3 passes over 300, one record. It is interesting that in the results there is a note that says if a streamliner has shown that it can run over 350, it doesn't have to qualify for record runs. This of course was back when you had to qualify (beat existing record) and then the next AM make two passes, opposite directions, the average of which needed to be above the record to set a new one.

The Herbert-Herbert-Steen streamliner was entered in A/FS but made no runs.
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« Reply #62 on: November 13, 2016, 11:01:25 AM »

Are there any videos of Al T. setting his 409+ record?


Don't know about videos, run was in 1991.

In 1990, Al's 389 run was the only one over 300 for the meet. No 400 passes at speedweek. Don't know about WOS.




Didn't Al make something like four passes over 300 (and set two records) at 1990 Speed Week?

Well, having missed that Nolan White did make one pass at 330.204 ( my apologies) I am going to say no. The meet was shortened by a wet track at the beginning of the week and wind at the end. AT made a 353.662( record at the time was 354.330) run on Tuesday, 8/21 and then on Friday a record at 389.372. That was a combination of 393.741 a presumed down run and whatever return (haven't done the math and it is not in the results) it takes for the above mentioned record. ( It is possible those times were reversed, the results don't show) So unless I missed something again  embarassed  3 passes over 300, one record. It is interesting that in the results there is a note that says if a streamliner has shown that it can run over 350, it doesn't have to qualify for record runs. This of course was back when you had to qualify (beat existing record) and then the next AM make two passes, opposite directions, the average of which needed to be above the record to set a new one.

The Herbert-Herbert-Steen streamliner was entered in A/FS but made no runs.

Ugo Fadini, who is normally very reliable, states two records (see http://www.ugofadini.com/teaguestory.html).  389.372 (A/FS) and 387.084 mph (B/FS) which, given the information about no qualifier required, would presumably have required four passes over 300.

Thanks for looking Jack.  cheers I'm hungry for any information about the really fast streamliners in the 1990-2002 timeframe.
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« Reply #63 on: November 13, 2016, 11:42:38 AM »

I think the 387 record in B/FS must have been at WOS. It is in the rule book from 1992 as a '90 record but I have the results from 1990 speedweek  and it shows A/FS only and the data I presented. As before I might have missed something so apologies in advance. Happy to copy and share the results with you if you want. I don't have WOS data and didn't go to Speedweek in 1991 and don't have the results in my file.
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« Reply #64 on: November 13, 2016, 12:44:57 PM »

It's hard to remember what happened & when it happened back then, we were all beating ourselves into history on & off the salt, it's like a big blur. It was tough & costly when you had to pre-qualify a blown fuel car for an SCTA record run. One speed week we made eleven passes over 350 with the B engine on 55% without even pulling the heads then me & Anthony changed to the A engine Thursday night, you just couldn't afford to run them hard!
I can't think of anybody else that was 400 capable in 90-91 than Al & Nolan. I think Vesco's still had the twin Chevy's then & Herbert Steen had carbs & solid wheels in 90, was injected on Mickeys in 91 but didn't make it to S/W, ran WOS but never went 400 at any time.
Nolan was a big piece of the history back then but I can't find any video on him to post here.
 If anybody has anything........?
I think it was 90 when Nolan first ran the twin engine setup. He never had a pit area, he was like a phantom, always working out of the trailer where ever he stopped. You never knew if he was ready to run or had gone home, he would just pop up on the line.
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« Reply #65 on: November 22, 2016, 08:15:43 AM »

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I can't think of anybody else that was 400 capable in 90-91 than Al & Nolan. I think Vesco's still had the twin Chevy's then & Herbert Steen had carbs & solid wheels in 90, was injected on Mickeys in 91 but didn't make it to S/W, ran WOS but never went 400 at any time.
Nolan was a big piece of the history back then but I can't find any video on him to post here.
 If anybody has anything........?
I think it was 90 when Nolan first ran the twin engine setup. He never had a pit area, he was like a phantom, always working out of the trailer where ever he stopped. You never knew if he was ready to run or had gone home, he would just pop up on the line.
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The third name I was looking for was Rick White, so not a third vehicle.

I think he made a pass at 402.476 mph during the first World Finals at the end of October.  However if you google something like "White Bonneville 402.476" it throws up an LA Times article which credits it to Nolan. So I am quite prepared to be corrected.  Anyone got the official results of 1990 World Finals??
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« Reply #67 on: November 26, 2016, 11:52:21 PM »

Great old videos! In the 3rd video at the 3:32 mark it looks like the driver is enjoying a Shlitz Beer? cheers
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« Reply #68 on: November 27, 2016, 01:26:04 AM »

Great old videos! In the 3rd video at the 3:32 mark it looks like the driver is enjoying a Shlitz Beer? cheers

One does not enjoy Schlitz - one simply drinks it . . .

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« Reply #69 on: November 27, 2016, 10:07:35 AM »

Ah, the old "When you are out of Schlitz, you are out of beer."   Because everyone drinks everything else first...... cheers
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« Reply #70 on: November 27, 2016, 12:45:37 PM »

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« Reply #71 on: November 27, 2016, 05:41:48 PM »

At 3:31 have a look at the exhaust system outlets. A bit like a Spitfire, maybe?

Regards, Neil  Tucson, AZ
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« Reply #72 on: November 27, 2016, 09:13:54 PM »

Great old videos! In the 3rd video at the 3:32 mark it looks like the driver is enjoying a Shlitz Beer? cheers

One does not enjoy Schlitz - one simply drinks it . . .

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The ad sez it all. "When you're out of Schlitz, you're out of Beer." That's 'cause Schlitz is the very last thing you're going to reach for in the fridge.  cheers Wayno
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« Reply #73 on: November 28, 2016, 01:03:50 AM »

It was sold in these parts in my early drinking years. I felt like a  Dead Horse in the morning.
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« Reply #74 on: November 28, 2016, 01:33:58 AM »

At 3:31 have a look at the exhaust system outlets. A bit like a Spitfire, maybe?

Regards, Neil  Tucson, AZ
Yeah that exhaust is something else alright Neil. There was a lot of megaphone exhaust theory in England back then that seemed to come from motorcycle racing.
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