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« Reply #15 on: June 14, 2006, 02:04:33 PM »

the gyronaut had a very different look it does kinda resemble the NSU liner that Eric and John are trying to out run. Its got a really cool look to it. and in case ya guys havent notices it has a hack wheel stickin out the side. 108 with hack drag on it is pretty danm good. I'm kinda excited to see what she'll do at the bub event in liner trim.
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« Reply #16 on: June 14, 2006, 02:26:59 PM »

record set by NSU also in 1956 with our Team Arrow streamliner.

During the BUB meet this year, a replica of the NSU Delphin (Delfin) III with Heinz Herz as the rider will be on the starting line.
Last Thursday Heinz run the first test runs on a airfield close to Munich - was a great time to see this streamliner running.

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« Reply #17 on: June 14, 2006, 02:30:04 PM »

Thay also choked the chute down for this meet and the lift and side pull went away. I had talked to Eric at the May meet because of the chute being a littlle large and it was pulling the bike around. They are good guys to work with and want to learn and do things the right way.  Cheesy
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« Reply #18 on: June 14, 2006, 03:46:48 PM »

The body is a streamlined cover for John?s size 13 shoes; any resemblance to other streamliners is mere coincidence.  We hope to update our website in a week or so with a report on the June El Mirage meet.
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« Reply #19 on: June 14, 2006, 07:29:12 PM »

Eric,
Your piece is just to COOL!! It is so simple and well designed and constructed. I was planning to do my lakester in aluminum but after looking at your web site and seeing how you did your body I am really considering fiberglass. Although aluminum doesn't itch like fiber glass.

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« Reply #20 on: June 14, 2006, 07:36:08 PM »

rex I have several bike liner molds and shapes. I may have a body you might want to use as underpinnings and modify for your chassis. come on down and take a look...
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« Reply #21 on: June 20, 2006, 11:58:09 AM »

Last night we unbolted the sidecar, pulled the last of the bodywork off, flipped the chassis over, and placed it on sawhorses.  We would like to have a new landing gear system constructed with time to test it before the next El Mirage meet, and more dyno time, and a tow rope system, and new paint and ?. We?ll keep busy, see you at the next event.  - Eric

John updated the web site with his account of the June 2006 El Mirage event.

http://www.geocities.com/buddfab/latestnewsjune.html

http://www.geocities.com/buddfab/buddfab3.html
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« Reply #22 on: June 20, 2006, 03:03:43 PM »

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Last night we unbolted the sidecar, pulled the last of the bodywork off, flipped the chassis over, and placed it on sawhorses.  We would like to have a new landing gear system constructed with time to test it before the next El Mirage meet, and more dyno time, and a tow rope system, and new paint and ?. We?ll keep busy, see you at the next event.  - Eric

John updated the web site with his account of the June 2006 El Mirage event.

http://www.geocities.com/buddfab/latestnewsjune.html

http://www.geocities.com/buddfab/buddfab3.html


Hey great report and 108+ is fantastic.  I might not be able to go that fast and my motor is 15 times larger cry .

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Next we tried the nitrous, starting rich, and leaning it a bit, it was making 21 HP. The plug looked happy, the piston skirt looked perfect and the lady upstairs was getting tired of the noise. We called it good and wrapped things up.


I've heard about the "man upstairs", but never the lady.  What kind of dyno are you running on?

The only thing I beg you to do is reduce the file size of your pictures so I can see them on dial-up Cheesy

So next meet are you going to run without the sidecar?

c ya, Sum
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« Reply #23 on: June 20, 2006, 05:13:35 PM »

We occasionally use Mike Akatiff?s Dynojet model 250 motorcycle chassis dyno (inertia with eddy current absorption unit) with just over eight lb-ft of torque at the crank on nitrous it doesn?t have to absorb much.  Mike?s turbocharged twin engine Suzuki Hyabusa powered streamliner undoubtedly gives it much more to think about.

We would like to test without the sidecar the day before the next El Mirage meet but we may not get it together until after that, with the limited space inside our liner, any practical system will be time consuming to fabricate and mount.  When we have new hardware to test, we will most likely use outrigger (training) wheels in addition to the new landing gear, but I don?t think we?ll commit to chopping holes in the bodywork before testing a new system.  We just don?t have a good place to test the chassis, El Mirage is our best choice, and for us, that?s over seven hours away after everything is loaded up, and it?s always windy.  We entered the 50cc motor on fuel, with and without the sidecar at the Bub event in September, that will probably be the next event entered as a streamliner without the sidecar.
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« Reply #24 on: June 20, 2006, 06:20:08 PM »

Not one to dampen ANYONES efforts at land speed records, but I've been biting my tongue for months over the Buddfab quest to exceed the 121 mph NSU record=You ought to think about the 140!!! speed AT Bonneville that the Kreidler set plus the 137 mph speed two way by another Kreidler on a road in Europe in the mid 60's. 50ccs both!

Research, research, research!
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« Reply #25 on: June 21, 2006, 01:10:31 PM »

The Buddfab streamliner was designed to participate in SCTA events and meet their current rules and safety regulations.  The equipment that is mandated by them makes the vehicle significantly bigger and heavier (and safer) than they were when Kreidler powered bikes set FIM records.  The goal of exceeding the NSU SCTA record at an SCTA sanctioned Bonneville event would appear to me to be an entirely reasonable quest.  

If we attain our goal we may set a new goal of going after an FIM record or we might go after some other SCTA record.  If our original goal was to set an FIM record it is quite likely that we would have started with a different design that optimized the hardware to meet FIM rules.  Yes, we did research the problem and engine displacement wasn?t the only rule we had to abide.
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« Reply #26 on: June 21, 2006, 06:28:50 PM »

However you spell it the speeds will be accurately recorded.
The methods vary with the sanction and we can hope maybe some day they will be the same for everybody.
Survivability is every bit a important to the success of your project as any speed you ever went.
 It is important to everybody else also.
 Comparisons are easier to make than compliance, and enforcement is not always well received.
You owe it to yourself to exceed your objective.
 You owe it to everybody else to do it as safe as is possible.
 "This is not You Bet Your Life and My Sport."
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« Reply #27 on: June 21, 2006, 09:21:31 PM »

Jack, tell about Phil York on his fuel Honda 50cc in the 70's. I imagine you still have the record sheet from when he was timed by Earl.

Straight nitro made quite a runner out of a toy.
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« Reply #28 on: June 21, 2006, 10:06:45 PM »

A famous racer was being interviewed for an article and asked how much Nitro he ran.
The quick answer was 120%.
The writer smiled and suggested that was not possible.
The racer said "Oh sure, We didn't have enough left so we borrowed some from another guy."
Eric will remember the load we put in his go cart at Carlsbad when he was a kid. (he still is).
 When he got back from a run it wouldn't stop running so we stuffed into the rails , spinning the tires until it ran out of juice.
 I don't think we could ever get it started again.
As was common practice in those days, the fuel line was clamped directly to the empty jet housing
and the slide needle regulated the flow like a Posifuel.
Float bowls were used as ash trays.
Nobody had after market cases to worry about or puters.
How strange ?
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« Reply #29 on: June 22, 2006, 05:01:07 PM »

Eric,
Any thoughts regarding fairing the exposed parts of the wheel? When you have limited power you need every possible assistance from other sources. Again from my favorite book on aero, "The Leading Edge" there is alot of discussion of the positive affects of fairing the wheel.

Still a NEAT project!!!

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