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« Reply #75 on: November 30, 2012, 12:25:03 PM »

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As for Ameican Iron I thought Mike was nuts....but I do know where a '66 396 with a short crank is....Hummmm........JD

When did the 502 BBC Truck block come out?  This would be the cheapest way to make one with the largest possible bore to unshroud the the valves?
Roller cam, titanium rods, titanium valves, forged nitrated crank, then spin the snot out of it?

EDIT - DOH! 1980's was 502 truck block.  427/454 instead. 
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« Reply #76 on: November 30, 2012, 01:20:28 PM »

"My minimum was set at 190 and voted on by the board. Yesterday I was reminded that the original proposal included a 160 minimum which I missed when I presented for the vote. The EM minimum will be set at 160, all safety regs apply." -- DW

Let's see.  The record for XF/GR (flathead -- not to exceed 325") at El Mirage is 158.986.

The minimum for the new overhead class (not to exceed 372") is 160.  

I don't think it will be much of a stretch to go 1.014 MPH over the smaller flathead record -- not trying the disrespect the great Jimmie Stevens motor.

Not eligible for points next year, but by the time the dozens of them get built, the results won't be pointless.  

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« Reply #77 on: November 30, 2012, 01:50:28 PM »

According to the proposer there are already many cars sitting, with engines reving to run this class. No new cars need to be built.

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« Reply #78 on: November 30, 2012, 02:52:25 PM »

According to the proposer there are already many cars sitting, with engines reving to run this class. No new cars need to be built.

DW

  Yea right rolleyes

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« Reply #79 on: November 30, 2012, 04:12:02 PM »

Then why haven't they run?  Only one's the wiener.
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« Reply #80 on: December 04, 2012, 12:18:39 PM »

Stan,

The costs to run competitivly is too high.This new class will solve that issue and bring the roadsters out in mass quanities.

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« Reply #81 on: December 04, 2012, 01:08:15 PM »

I can just see the masses of raoadsters showing up   shocked , just curious though why they didn't limit the transmissions to vintage units as well? Tony
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« Reply #82 on: December 04, 2012, 01:33:37 PM »

Not my deal. Upwards of $7500 for a trans, pay Wayne Jesel $4500 for a valve train, on  and on - where is the cost savings?

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« Reply #83 on: December 04, 2012, 02:08:42 PM »

Sounds like a guy in Flordia is giving him ideas, maybe a diesel powered pusher propster is coming new class  DPPPPU. evil rolleyes

The class is B/DAB =

That is some funny Subaru right there!
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« Reply #84 on: December 04, 2012, 02:35:35 PM »

Sounds like a guy in Flordia is giving him ideas, maybe a diesel powered pusher propster is coming new class  DPPPPU. evil rolleyes

The class is B/DAB =

That is some funny Subaru right there!

Bet Glen didn't even know that these have running for nearly 10 years now.  Low fuel consumption.

And it will make Jullienne Potatoes!
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« Reply #85 on: April 11, 2013, 02:38:50 PM »

... it says you have to have a rear floor or aft  bulkhead...
But, the first sentence of 3.E says "no open driver's compartment".
Jack, that's exactly why I've never built a race car without first going to at least one event so I understood how the rules were being interpreted and enforced. Sometimes how the rules are written and how they are actually used are what appears to me to be very wide apart. This goes for most forms of racing.

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not only does context count but reading the rule in it's entirety also helps.  this new rule requires that all cars now have either a rear floor or bulkhead.  what's so hard to understand about that?  do you really think there'd be a rule outlawing open cars?

Blast from the past... for 2014 I'm going to propose that the word "lower" be added between "the" and "exterior".  So it would read like this:

All driver’s compartments shall not be open to the lower exterior of the vehicle or track surface such that the driver is potentially exposed to dangers such as fire or debris as well as dust. A rear floor or aft bulkhead is required in all vehicles where applicable.

Does that help make it more clear that the point of the rule is to require a rear flow or aft bulkhead?  Maybe "bottom exterior" would be better? 
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« Reply #86 on: April 11, 2013, 04:44:37 PM »

Interesting........sidecar rule change 7.1....7.1.3.....regarding driver location..........when John Stege made his outstanding run a few years back and took our record this rule was NOT in effect....However his record was put in the book......I made note that his sidecar was NOT legal due to the fact that I had wanted to build a LSR sidecar with the driver kneeling INSIDE the outfit and was told not legal....not safe.......It appears it is NOW legal and safe.......BUT at the time of John's record run it was NOT LEGAL....and NOT SAFE.....but the record was still approved and is in the book..........Oh, well...................................................................
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« Reply #87 on: April 11, 2013, 07:52:14 PM »

Interesting........sidecar rule change 7.1....7.1.3.....regarding driver location..........when John Stege made his outstanding run a few years back and took our record this rule was NOT in effect....However his record was put in the book......I made note that his sidecar was NOT legal due to the fact that I had wanted to build a LSR sidecar with the driver kneeling INSIDE the outfit and was told not legal....not safe.......It appears it is NOW legal and safe.......BUT at the time of John's record run it was NOT LEGAL....and NOT SAFE.....but the record was still approved and is in the book..........Oh, well...................................................................

Bob,

If you were to look in one of his log books you will see where I wrote that I felt the bike did not comply with the rules at the time, I refused to inspect it and it was later inspected without any changes being made.  Yes he has some great records also. cheers
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« Reply #88 on: April 12, 2013, 12:46:38 AM »

... it would read like this:
All driver’s compartments shall not be open to the lower exterior of the vehicle or track surface such that the driver is potentially exposed to dangers such as fire or debris as well as dust. A rear floor or aft bulkhead is required in all vehicles where applicable...
That's much better.
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« Reply #89 on: April 13, 2013, 08:00:23 AM »

... it says you have to have a rear floor or aft  bulkhead...
But, the first sentence of 3.E says "no open driver's compartment".
Jack, that's exactly why I've never built a race car without first going to at least one event so I understood how the rules were being interpreted and enforced. Sometimes how the rules are written and how they are actually used are what appears to me to be very wide apart. This goes for most forms of racing.

Context counts!  cool cool

Pete

not only does context count but reading the rule in it's entirety also helps.  this new rule requires that all cars now have either a rear floor or bulkhead.  what's so hard to understand about that?  do you really think there'd be a rule outlawing open cars?

Blast from the past... for 2014 I'm going to propose that the word "lower" be added between "the" and "exterior".  So it would read like this:

All driver’s compartments shall not be open to the lower exterior of the vehicle or track surface such that the driver is potentially exposed to dangers such as fire or debris as well as dust. A rear floor or aft bulkhead is required in all vehicles where applicable.

Does that help make it more clear that the point of the rule is to require a rear flow or aft bulkhead?  Maybe "bottom exterior" would be better? 


At the SCTA Inspectors Clinic meeting last Saturday (4/06/13), they had us pencil in "lower" in that exact place in the rule change handout that was distributed.  So, I suspect the correction will be made in the 2014 rule books.
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