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Author Topic: Are records set at Speedweek, WOS and Finals world records  (Read 961 times)
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« on: November 02, 2017, 02:20:03 PM »

I was always under the impression that records set at Speedweek, WOS or Finals are considred world records but I am being told they are not over in the BMST section of this forum.  He says only FIM/FIA records are world records.   Who is correct?
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« Reply #1 on: November 02, 2017, 03:12:54 PM »

SCTA/BNI Bonneville records are just that - BNI sanctioned Bonneville records.

FIM/FIA records are considered "World Records".

I often hear friends misspeak about my record, calling it a "world record".

I correct them in this way -

"No, it's not a world record, it's a Bonneville record.  You can get a world record anywhere in the world - but you can only get a Bonneville record at Bonneville".   wink
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« Reply #2 on: November 02, 2017, 10:13:54 PM »

All my record certificates say "World Land Speed Record" right under my entry and that's good enough for me. If yours say the same thing (I know they do since I wrote them for 10 years) and you don't like it, either draw a line thru it or throw it away for all I care. But for me its a World Record.......JD
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« Reply #3 on: November 02, 2017, 10:50:40 PM »

That is a very good question NRHS and there is no "correct" answer because it is so subjective. SCTA is regional because so far they have only done sanctioned races in the Western USA (El Mirage, Bonneville, Black Rock, Mojave). To be a "World" record would mean the event could be held anywhere in the world, like Bolivia or Russia and be sanctioned by a world-recognized authority such as the FIM.

Likewise AMA (BMST) is a nationally sanctioned event (American), so it is not "World" either. It is a USA based event. I think AMA trumps SCTA because it is a national organization while SCTA is regional.

BUT - People come from all over the WORLD to compete in both events so both are recognized around the world.

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« Reply #4 on: November 03, 2017, 12:12:10 AM »

I guess my further thought is this. 

When someone says "World Record", the first thing that comes to mind is a book put out annually by an Irish brewing concern.  And don't get me wrong, I love me a quality Dublin Stout, and the book is often a good read.

But when one says "Bonneville Record", the nature and pedigree are less muddled to the unwashed, despite the fact that numerous sanctioning bodies have certified records at Bonneville.

Only after a few of the aforementioned stouts have I tried to explain the nuances, at which point people typically glaze over and say "Nyaaaah, it's a world record", and move on to a different topic.
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« Reply #5 on: November 03, 2017, 10:39:35 AM »

SCTA Bonneville records say "World Land Speed Record".

El Mirage records say "SCTA 1.3 Mile Dry Lake Record".

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« Reply #6 on: November 03, 2017, 11:06:52 AM »

Quote from: Me, in the other thread
The SCTA is an association of clubs, all of which are in Southern California. I can find no instance  of them claiming world record status for their records. Show me where I'm wrong.
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« Reply #7 on: November 03, 2017, 02:41:34 PM »

thanks for clearing that up guys.  I was relatively sure that SCTA records were considered world records but just wanted to be 100% correct.  When you get over 50 ya know the mind starts going to hell!   tongue
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« Reply #8 on: November 03, 2017, 03:21:23 PM »

thanks for clearing that up guys.  I was relatively sure that SCTA records were considered world records but just wanted to be 100% correct.  When you get over 50 ya know the mind starts going to hell!   tongue
Well, from the fact that SCTA calls them world records it does not follow that they are, or should be considered, world records. As donpearsall pointed out, there is no "correct" answer because it is so subjective.

In particular, were someone to set an SCTA record in a class for there is a comparable international class, and the international class record is faster, one might well question whether that is a legitimate world record, regardless of what it says on the certificate.
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« Reply #9 on: November 04, 2017, 02:49:19 AM »

We've always considered SCTA-BNI & USFRA records as Bonneville records, we ran under FIA when we set World records & that's what Mike Cook does now.
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« Reply #10 on: November 04, 2017, 09:25:45 AM »

We've always considered SCTA-BNI & USFRA records as Bonneville records, we ran under FIA when we set World records & that's what Mike Cook does now.
  Sid.

Same here and a 'Bonneville Record' is something to be Dodge proud of and cherish,

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« Reply #11 on: November 04, 2017, 12:39:31 PM »

We've always considered SCTA-BNI & USFRA records as Bonneville records, we ran under FIA when we set World records & that's what Mike Cook does now.
  Sid.

Same here and a 'Bonneville Record' is something to be Dodge proud of and cherish,

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« Reply #12 on: November 07, 2017, 05:30:47 PM »

Well boys if it is the fastest anyone has gone in a vehicle class.... I don't care where it was timed over a mile distance at a sanctioned event, that would make it a "World Record"

So if my world record is faster than your world record....
I know who has the world record  cheers
and who has a national or regional record  Dead Horse
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« Reply #13 on: November 07, 2017, 10:07:59 PM »


Go to the FIM or the FIA Worlds Record listings, and you can see/read the progression of legitment World Records (from different parts of the world) since the formation of these World Motorsport orginisations,, Orginisations which were around long before any of our LandSpeed  Clubs,,
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