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« Reply #165 on: June 25, 2012, 07:12:08 PM »

that 682 pounds is a nice piece of work.
that is a helluva 3 speed trans.

I won't be sending much, but would like to donate to the project.

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« Reply #166 on: June 25, 2012, 07:22:55 PM »

that 682 pounds is a nice piece of work.
that is a helluva 3 speed trans.

I won't be sending much, but would like to donate to the project.

franey

will call max on that. ( $ ).
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bub '07 - 140.293 a/pg   120" crate street mill  
bub '10 - 158.100  sweetooth gear
lta  7/11 -163.389  7/17/11; 3 run avg.-162.450
ohio -    - 185.076 w/#684      
lta 8/14  - 169.xxx. w/sw2           
'16 -- 0 runs ; 0 events -- made a 2 state change in ZIP codes

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« Reply #167 on: June 27, 2012, 08:30:35 AM »

25 June from Hartmut.... some editing by stainless

Got the sprockets this morning from the hardening shop - promised to put stickers on the bike. The did a spot-on job as all my parts were handled perfectly and no matter how soon I needed them - they did it!  The sprockets are just barely sliding on the shafts. I guess you can sandblast them a little more - on the other hand a little warmth would make them slide onto the shafts - that's what Bernhard says - he made them to his gearbox tolerances so I guess he is right.
The box is completely loaded - I had it on a weight scale - 308,5 kg - I guess the motor and gearbox should be around 250kg.
I have put in all spares that we might need, a couple bearings for the outrigger plate and clutch axial bearings and the good pistons that you sent.
The special PTFE seals have arrived this morning - no time to fit them so they are included in one of the boxes. Have to ask them for a sticker or two - they forgot to send them. They deserve it. I have to go and have some stickers made too - haven't got any...
Will send all the stickers in an envelope in the next couple weeks.
 
There are several things going on in my mind what I need to tell you but here is the biggest issue:
 
I do think that compression will be much higher now in the cylinders due to the earlier opening of the inlet. If it were my engine I would go and get a smaller pulley for the crank and drive the blower about 25% slower. If it doesn't give way over 500 hp on the dyno you could always go back to the bigger pulley. My fear is that the blower load will be so high in the chambers that the thing will grenade. I might be wrong but I just wanted to tell you my thinking.... I will sleep better if you tell me you have a pulley laying around and will try it before using the big pulley.
 
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Your concern about the blower pressure increase by cam timing change is unnecessary.  Cam timing before was 60o before TDC, .020 off the seat.  You said that you achieved a 4o on the rear engine, and a 6o on the front engine advance before TDC using 70o before TDC opening.  The difference between 60o at .020 off the seat and 70o opening doesn't affect static compression pressures that much.  The static compression ratio of the engine with the dished piston design, even though the stroke has been increased by one inch, the static compression ratio is about 7 to 1.  Using a compression gauge, removing all spark plugs except for one cylinder, and spinning the engines to 600 rpm with the starter, blower belt on, injector hat butterfly open, the compression gauge reads between 110 lbs. pressure, and 120 lbs. pressure.  To get pressure to a minimum of 150 lbs. pressure static at 6500 rpm, which is the minimum amount of pressure for an alcohol motor to make power, the boost required is two atmospheres.  The 180 cu. in. engine requires a 1.6 to 1 ratio to achieve the equal of a normal aspirated engine running alcohol, showing a pounds pressure of 150 to 175 on the gauge, which is very much the equal of our engines running the size of blower we have at the ratio we have.  A 25% reduction in the blower ratio would probably reduce the horsepower to maybe 350.  That's just a guess, but it would definitely kill the horsepower needed to meet our goal of 322 mph with the car attached.  If it seems that the blower pressure is too high at 6500, we can simply reduce our at speed rpm to 5500, and equalize by putting a taller gear on the bike.  We can do this to the extent that the bike will no longer pull at the lower rpms.
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« Reply #168 on: June 27, 2012, 08:39:22 AM »

all spares boxed, engine and gearbox bolted down. Urs, the son of one of my friends came to help. The boy is 18 and started racing sidecar this year. I told him all my tricks and now he beats me - what a talent!


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MSA Bockscar Lakester #1000 my fastest mile 245 and change, 84 ci turbobusa motor... but Corey's 233 MPH H/BFL record is still 3MPH faster than mine.
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« Reply #169 on: June 27, 2012, 08:44:28 AM »

Andy came to help load the box. We weighted the whole box with all the spares - close to 310 kg - hopefully we get a good price at Lufthansa !!!! I am nearly broke now and need to do some customer stuff to get afloat again, so probably some more night shifts needed the next couple weeks - have to order my flight soon...
I guess that the box will be around 60 kg, spares maybe 20kg - so that leaves around 230 kg for the monster engine. Anyway - we got it in my van, I finally got the millions of papers sorted and by 4pm I was at the local custom office. The guy was nice and after studying the paperwork and having a look at the engines he declared I am good to go, handed me two more papers. Phoned Benny this evening and told him that we are ready to rock n roll. I told him that my permit ends on the 30th of June - so the engine has to leave Germany before that date - otherwise I may get problems with the local tax office. Anyhow - he talks tomorrow morning to the man in charge at Lufthansa air cargo to book a flight. So on Wednesday I drive to Frankfurt, pick up Benny when his night shift ends and we both deliver the engines to the airport customs and Air Cargo terminal. As soon as I know the flight number and delivery date to Kansas City I send you another mail with all the details.
 
So that's it from this side of the pond - lets hope the engine gets safely back to your end.
 


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« Reply #170 on: June 27, 2012, 08:52:43 AM »

OK, we will know soon when the lump gets back to Kansas.   grin

On this side of the pond Max has been working the scoop, off to paint already, working the new sidecar cover.  Here is work in progress


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« Reply #171 on: June 30, 2012, 07:31:53 PM »

26 June from Hartmut
First the news: the box will fly out on Friday morning. I don't know yet any numbers or other details but the flight is ordered. Tomorrow afternoon I can give you more information. Transport cost is a very favourable 1200 Euros - that's what Benny got to know so far. Usually those 300+ Kilos would be around 3000 bucks!
 
 
Now the valve timing: I know that the static compression will not be much different BUT I have almost 8 thou (2mm) more lift on the inlet. That should make a lot of difference to the incoming charge. Those 60 o with off the seat pre-tension gave 3,5mm lift (without that pre-tension it is even less) and the exhaust was 5mm open. Now the engine has 5,5mm inlet and 5mm exhaust lift on TDC. On my blown Trumpet it makes a lot of difference so I guess we should at least try to read compression. The Triumph needed a lot larger jetting and I had to reduce the blower output a bit to avoid detonation. Now you know why I am worrying.
I will sit down over the weekend and write all the helpers down. Also have to design a sticker for myself - never had the chance to put my sticker on a streamliner!!!
 
27 June from Max
I'm planning to give the engines a compression check by spinning the starter and all of that.  If there's excessive pressure over what I've designed into the engines by static compression and blower speed and so on, instead of going through the expense of making new pulleys, (this particular pulley in alloy isn't available) the simplest and least expensive way to reduce air to the engines is to put a restrictor plate below the injector hat. 

Just got back from the bank.  Had a 500 Euro bank draft made out in your name.  Cost: $886 U.S. dollars.  Kim had a 50 Euro note which she is donating to the cause.  I'll send that on as well.  If you haven't opened up my son Max's Norton cylinder head box yet, do it, because Max told me the other day that he'd sent you a $100 donation towards the work you've done on the engines and transmission.  The U.S. dollar exchange nowadays is quite hurtful when buying Euros.  If somewhere along the line the tooth fairy leaves some change under my pillow (I think I'm owed some) I'll get some more cash off to you.  You well deserve it and much more.

Tell Benny thanks a bunch for his pull on getting a reduced rate for the engines return.  Every little bit helps, but that was way more than a little bit.


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« Reply #172 on: June 30, 2012, 07:37:43 PM »

27 June from Hartmut
Here is the latest news: I went to Frankfurt this morning, arrived at Benny's place at 12.30 and we drove out to the air cargo. The customs officer told us that we need another document - so we went to the other side of FRA airport to get one. 1 hour and a cheap 35 Euros later we had what we needed, drove back to the customs and were permitted to go to unload the box. Went into the export office and talked to a nice lady who was willing to help with all issues. Got an unload-passport and went to the ramp. Unloading was done and the workers tried to x-ray the box. Of course it was showing various "blacks" in the box so they came back and said the box has to be opened and the lady in charge should be present as well. So we notified her and went back to the store. As I was thinking about someone wanting to look in the box I had my electric drill with me. Turned out that only Benny was allowed to go in the store (he has access to most Lufthansa areas) whereas I had to wait outside. Half an hour later the box was opened, checked and closed again, all parts boxes x-rayed as well and we had to go back to the office to fill the freight papers. The box flies out on Friday evening (9pm) - one day before my permit ends - and will be in Kansas City on Monday around 10am. I put your telephone number on the freight documents and they noted "Call upon arrival" - so you should get a call on Monday.
Best of it all was that I only paid 764.90 Euros - Benny must have pulled a couple arms and legs to make Lufthansa offer me that price!
 
Now the pressure is off my shoulders - that was the last piece in my part of the puzzle !!!

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785's HEART IS COMING HOME!!!!!!!!

We'll be at the airport Monday with bells on.  The 500 mile trek to and from Kansas City will pretty much fill all the hours of Monday, but come Tuesday the Mad doctor Max will commence Black Lightning's heart transplant surgery.  Hopefully assisting nurses will include Stainless and Little Max.  Clyde, Kim, and Ellio will be standing by, ready to suture her up, and Stainless, with our donated laptop, will check her vital signs. 

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« Reply #173 on: June 30, 2012, 07:53:55 PM »

While all that was happening, things continued move over here. 
Max received the sprockets from Sproket Specialists, everything we need from 290 mph to 400+mph at 6500 RPM.  The four bottom sprockets are aluminum, the rest are steel.  The four bottom ones for slower speeds are new.  Lots of gearing choices.


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« Reply #174 on: June 30, 2012, 08:07:31 PM »

check post 170, that is the sidecar, upside down of course.... fast forward after a little work from Little Max.... (he's not really that little) and the sidecover is finished... except for paint

OK thought the scoop went to paint, nope, it was just getting more repair, a little left to do yet.

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« Reply #175 on: June 30, 2012, 08:14:50 PM »

28 June from Hartmut

Unloading and leaving the box with the air cargo people - that was it!
 
Cheers  cheers
 
Hartmut

Looks like it arrives in KC Monday morning, but Max and I are going to make sure it is there before we make the trip, we will know if it is ready to be picked up Monday at 9 when the lady "that know what's going on" is back to work.  Max and I are know headed to KC on Tuesday unless Max changes his mind after he talks to the lady.


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« Reply #176 on: July 04, 2012, 05:06:11 PM »

 grin

Stainless and I got word that the lump was in Kansas City.  Picked it up yesterday.  The lump got to my house about noon today.  It all went smooth until we tried to align the bolt holes, engine to chassis.  After about a half hour of fighting the thing, my daughter Kim noticed where the interference was.  A little sanding and grinding allowed the engine to find it's position, and the twelve fastening bolts went in pretty easy.  When I built the chassis I designed the engine to be a structural member.  Stainless took some pictures, so you'll see some work in progress.

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« Reply #177 on: July 04, 2012, 06:45:40 PM »

Hooorah! cheers
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« Reply #178 on: July 04, 2012, 07:05:21 PM »

GREAT NEWS!!!!!  cheers cheers cheers

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« Reply #179 on: July 05, 2012, 09:41:47 AM »

As you heard, the motors are not only back home, they are nested back in the scooter.  Unpacking and they are in, with just a little trouble as Max mentioned.  I was late getting there, had to fix the neighbors old John Deere 70 tractor so he could start preparing for next years "mowing."

I have a few more pictures that were taken with too many pixels, I will reduce them and get a few more posted.... sooner or later
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