Diesel Lakester Class

[RidgeRunner]

     10 cyl OP Fairbanks Morse ran real sharp and clean on JP-4, not near the carbon build up in the ex ports to keep cleaned out.  Ran it in the GM generators as well.  No idea of any long term effects on the Bosch pumps and nozzles in the Fairbanks or GM unit injectors, used it on just one 10 month trip with no aparrent negative issues.  It was a supply convience thing, no real way to measure any power gains that might have resulted.

     Both a little large and heavy for the average lakester prime mover...

Ed

[fastman614]

Well, it looks like the nay-sayers, the "armchair experts and all the others are having a ggod time with this one.... I would also surmise that, was I ask for input about abolishing ALL diesel classes, A LOT of you would heartily endorse the concept!..... NOT  A PROBLEM!!!!!.... OH.... and by the way.... I am the fastman614 that presently owns the C/GAS Lakester record.... I am NOT, at present, just an "also ran".... the diesel lakester was the concept of Steve (my brother) aka the originalfastguys on this site....

I also would like to have my (what i believe to be legitimate) guestions about diesel engines with turbocharging and/or nitrous oxide having to run in the blown gas classes OR blown fuel classes..... MANY of you weighed in with your opinions, some of which seemed to me to be little more than snappy, flippant and thinly veiled sacrastic comments .... but comments nevertheless!...

So, do any of YOU EXPERT OPINERS have the answers as to what classes any turbocharged/ nitrous oxide equipped diesel engines would be classified into?

And Slim.... thank you SO MUCH for your grammar lesson.... I will, FROM NOW ON, NEVER use the word unique in any manner such as that again!... I have been edified!

[racergeo]

   Don't you mean your car holds the record?

[RichFox]

I believe nitrous oxide in diesel burning cars should be treated the same as gas burning cars and bump the car/truck into fuel class. I'm no SCTA rule expert but I thought Diesel's were not penelized for superchargers and superchargers were defined as crank or exhaust driven. Except for Vintage coups like my '32.  There have been  no takers so far on my offer to sponser a trophy for Diesel lakesters. I thought the interest might be somewhat greater then that.

[McRat]

I believe nitrous oxide in diesel burning cars should be treated the same as gas burning cars and bump the car/truck into fuel class. I'm no SCTA rule expert but I thought Diesel's were not penelized for superchargers and superchargers were defined as crank or exhaust driven. Except for Vintage coups like my '32.  There have been  no takers so far on my offer to sponser a trophy for Diesel lakesters. I thought the interest might be somewhat greater then that.

In the 32? diesel classes, all permit supercharging.  Only streamliner and UDT permit nitrous.

To run a diesel in a gasoline class, you run in the blown classes.  If the blown classes had to run 91 octane max, things might have parity.  Diesel class is low-grade pump fuel, not even the premium high-cetane sold at upscale fuel stops.

Someone correct me if I'm wrong.

Nitrous in a diesel creates a more complete burn of existing fuel.  You do not add fuel to spray.  Diesels are limited by how much fuel they can pump, not by how much air they can pump.  Some diesels run 120 PSIG boost levels; that is not a misprint.  It also increases piston life by acting as a chemical intercooler.  With gassers, it decreases piston life and normally runs fatter.  It is normally banned from sledpulling, but permitted for most drag racing classes.

Allowing diesels to run nitrous and turbo in Blown Racing Gas classes might be a fair fight.  We have an RPM limit due to the type of engine we run.  Diesel only burns so fast without a bottle handy.

[smitty2]

Oregon National Guard has been using JP-8 in their rigs for years. JP-8 is more like a Diesel than it is a Kerosene. I believe it has more lubricants added, but I'm not an expert so I can't say for sure.
 There is a fella running around here that has a Perkins 3 Squirrel in a 27 T, and it is so cool. It defines "Rat Rod" only in looks.

[LSR Mike]

JP8 is a lot closer to Diesel, but still has issues. I didn't realize the Air Force dropped JP4 for JP8. But I haven't worked on Jets for 30 years.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JP-8

[McRat]

AFAIK, the entire military is converting to single fuel, and it can be generated on site at portable algae farms.  It's basically biodiesel.  They are already running a blend in fighter jets for testing purposes.

[Tman]

AFAIK, the entire military is converting to single fuel, and it can be generated on site at portable algae farms.  It's basically biodiesel.  They are already running a blend in fighter jets for testing purposes.

I believe the Navy is already using it in some ships as well.

[Stan Back]

Also the Navy?  In addition to the entire military?

[Tman]

Also the Navy?  In addition to the entire military?

I reworded it for you Stan. 

[fastman614]

   Don't you mean your car holds the record?

and to racegeo.... you have a point there.... I would be willing to say it "your way".... I AM curious though... you picked up on that.... but did you miss the typographical errors in my post - and therefore did NOT attempt to correct me on them - or did you merely attribute them to my possibly having too large of fingers for the small keys on the keyboard of the computer?.... a problem which I DO have....

McRat, I appreciate your input.... but I am still waiting for some other of you "experts" to give me an explanation on my question of which class in which the diesel and possibly nitrous oxide equipped lakester would run. 

[racergeo]

   I'm just messin with you fastman. Not so serious. But to state my honest opinion, there are just to many classes period. I'll say it again, build a diesel streamliner and go head to head against the Chassis Engineering car. Next time I'll capitalize all the letters in fastman and bow before you when you have that record!

[fastman614]

   I'm just messin with you fastman. Not so serious. But to state my honest opinion, there are just to many classes period. I'll say it again, build a diesel streamliner and go head to head against the Chassis Engineering car. Next time I'll capitalize all the letters in fastman and bow before you when you have that record!

....just messin with me.... hmmmm.... then, I guess that, if you have the luck (and I have the pleasure) of meeting up in tech inspection, that, if I send you back to the pits with a "fix-it" list that will look like  a near full rebuild of your car, you WILL see the humor in that, won't you!

[Dynoroom]

Wow!  
Good thing they put that new rule on page 7 of the 2012 SCTA rule book HIGHLIGHTED. Go on, have a look at it, it's A.1. Now I know why it's there....  


Oh, and we still don't need a diesel lakester class IMO, but you are welcome to petition for one in 2013.