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« on: November 28, 2011, 12:42:08 AM » |
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I have a serious interest in running a diesel lakester. I have talked to the powers that be and they would like to see one also. I know of one other party with an interest, but we need more to get the class created. We have untill early next year to show a verifiable interest so the board can vote on it for introduction in the 2013 rule book. I do not mind being the spokesperson on this. Any comments? Steve Green ( Original Fast Guys, Vega #6140) cell # 604-309-1795
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dw230
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« Reply #1 on: November 28, 2011, 01:16:58 AM » |
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In my experience there is always resistance to the establishment of new classes. I would think that there is very limited interest in this class. Why not hang a pair of small(meeting minimum requirements) fenders on your current lakester and running in the streamliner class?
Another option is that you can run in the Gas Lakester classes using your diesel fuel.
DW
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« Reply #2 on: November 30, 2011, 07:18:11 AM » |
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I would have some interest in a few years. I would like to give my motor choice now, a few years before I am ready for a change. What would the diesel motor requirements be? Any chance for a 4 cylinder class?
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« Reply #3 on: November 30, 2011, 09:14:16 AM » |
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If you look at class structure special construction is separated by cubic inches... so yes there is a 4 cylinder class from AA to K if you desire.... unfortunately deisels need air to run, so they put a turbo on them... if you run in a gas class, you will run in blown
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MSA Lakester #1000 my fastest mile 245 and change, 84 ci turbobusa motor... but Corey's 233 MPH H/BFL record is still 3MPH faster than mine.
Builder of Bike 278 1000cc APS-G, Kids Red Hat Record 208.959 (old PS rules)
Other kids A-G record 179.172 Josh O record 182.266
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« Reply #4 on: December 02, 2011, 10:45:50 PM » |
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I know that, in years gone by, demonstrated interest was three entries in a class.... I don't know if the "powers that be" still accept that...... with ALL of the interest in diesel power elsewhere, I honestly think that a special construction, OPEN WHEEL class would garner a WHOLE LOT MORE INTEREST than rear engine modified roadster did!!!!!!!!..... OR .... as in our inclusion in a NEWLY CREATED classic coupe and sedan CATEGORY (NOT JUST A CLASS), which was met with an opinion on my part stating that until it becomes apparent that WE CAN'T out-horsepower them, we will join them quip from me....but the category was created anyway.... I ALSO recollect that when the DIESEL Streamliner Classes were created in the early 70s, there seemed to be an easy passage of the application.... and it was pretty much exclusively Thermo-King who owned those records....and, after the first year, Bill and Jill Snyder who drove them....
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« Reply #5 on: December 03, 2011, 10:32:48 AM » |
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Diesel cars are making so much horsepower these days I don't see why they need their own class. Maybe to protect the gas burners.
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« Reply #6 on: December 07, 2011, 10:48:12 PM » |
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Couldn't diesel be added as a third fuel "group" (ie) Gas, fuel, diesel? Then utilise the existing vehicle class rules for all else?
Just a thought from down south.
Rob
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« Reply #7 on: January 23, 2012, 08:43:16 AM » |
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Diesel cars are making so much horsepower these days I don't see why they need their own class. Maybe to protect the gas burners.
AFAIK, today the record is about 1800rwhp for a 427ci diesel running staged turbocharging (75psi boost) and a HUGE shot of 3-stage nitrous. This is Kamakazi run on a dyno. Not sustainable for 10 seconds. How much HP can you make with a 427 supercharged nitromethane engine? 4000? Methanol? 3000? Gas? 2500? BUT.... Try to make 1000HP on just pump fuel in a street car at 3000 rpm, and get 25mph highway, tow a trailer, and never replace a spark plug ...  Diesels have a huge advantage over gasoline. But it's nothing to do with racing. Personally, I don't understand the difference between a lakester and a streamliner, but I drive a pickup. |
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« Reply #8 on: January 23, 2012, 09:25:45 AM » |
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Diesel cars are making so much horsepower these days I don't see why they need their own class. Maybe to protect the gas burners.
AFAIK, today the record is about 1800rwhp for a 427ci diesel running staged turbocharging (75psi boost) and a HUGE shot of 3-stage nitrous. This is Kamakazi run on a dyno. Not sustainable for 10 seconds. How much HP can you make with a 427 supercharged nitromethane engine? 4000? Methanol? 3000? Gas? 2500? I was worried about gas burners. Not nitro. Hence the referance to gas burnners. Diesel is sold at pumps right next to 87 octane. Audi is doing OK running against gas cars. What do I know? I bought a new gas burning GMC to replace my Cummins-Dodge. BUT.... Try to make 1000HP on just pump fuel in a street car at 3000 rpm, and get 25mph highway, tow a trailer, and never replace a spark plug ... Diesels have a huge advantage over gasoline. But it's nothing to do with racing. Personally, I don't understand the difference between a lakester and a streamliner, but I drive a pickup. |
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« Reply #9 on: January 23, 2012, 12:38:04 PM » |
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Yes, but LSR doesn't run 87 octane. Or 91 for that matter. Diesel racing is done with true pump fuel. The "legal diesel" for B'ville is right from the service station near the entrance. I know, we have filled the cans for them before, then bought the fuel back. Now, if gasoline class was only allowed to run 91 octane with no additives, then it would get a bit closer.  PS - Yes, I know the diff between the lakesters and streamliners, I just don't understand why it isn't just one class.  |
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Pat and Kat McSwain - DT 1616 "Casper" 2005 GMC 2500HD Sierra 4x4 Duramax Diesel + Allison Transmission B/DT & A/DT record holder, El Mirage (163) & Bonneville (175) Best clocking 197.068 mph - Bonneville '09, 2.25mi www.duramaxdiesels.com |
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« Reply #10 on: January 23, 2012, 12:42:00 PM » |
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PS - Yes, I know the diff between the lakesters and streamliners, I just don't understand why it isn't just one class. right. I wasn't paying attention to the user name. I was removing it while you were posting number 9. |
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« Reply #11 on: January 23, 2012, 04:55:00 PM » |
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Ozzy Rob's on to it, Diesel fuel classification, no seperate classes, blown or unblown, event fuel.
Do we actually have any production diesel cars & trucks running now??
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dw230
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« Reply #12 on: January 23, 2012, 09:05:11 PM » |
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Rob & Sid,
Get yourself a pencil and add up all the classes that adding a third, diesel, fuel class would be put into the rulebook. Do not count /DS or any of the diesel truck classes. Do not just add up the number of records in the book, there are still some open classes.
Get back to us with the total and make your argument to the SCTA for adding all the new classes.
You may meet with some resistance.
DW
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« Reply #13 on: January 23, 2012, 11:29:53 PM » |
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DW,
I don't have an argument, just two cents.
I make my living in the diesel world, I have no interest in racing the stuff!
Sid.
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« Reply #14 on: January 23, 2012, 11:44:21 PM » |
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Dan, I don't have a bone in this fight, just expressing an opinion. I have to insert 5c Aussie, we don't have 2c any more  I don't intend running a diesel at the moment either but the time may well come. I just bought the wife a 2L turbo diesel that runs 170hp bone stock and gets incredible economy at that. I remember that being quite a feat for a petrol engine of the same displacement not so long ago. Cheers, Rob |
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